Item Rules Reminder

How should Item Cards for ammunition be handled?  Say Archer A has 10 phys-rep arrows they are carrying, but has cards for 20 normal, 15 electrum, and 5 magical arrows.  Archer A keeps the item cards attached to the quiver.  Can the thief choose which arrows they are taking or must the thief identify/evaluate the arrows first and spend time thinking which ones they want to take?  Or does Archer A must specify which arrows are which?

It also means that the player cannot deposit the phys rep at Logistics, because he or she is required to keep it as proof of possession of the item.

2. If an item card is attached to or placed with an item, and the card is marked "phys rep stealable - no", then the player can only take the item card. Taking the phys rep in that instance is a Rules Violation.

I'm slightly confused by this.  If "phys rep stealable - yes" means that you can't deposit the item at logistics, and "phys rep stealable - no" means that you can't take the item, under what circumstances should a thief be depositing something into logistics?


--Skimmel

It also means that the player cannot deposit the phys rep at Logistics, because he or she is required to keep it as proof of possession of the item.

2. If an item card is attached to or placed with an item, and the card is marked "phys rep stealable - no", then the player can only take the item card. Taking the phys rep in that instance is a Rules Violation.

I'm slightly confused by this.  If "phys rep stealable - yes" means that you can't deposit the item at logistics, and "phys rep stealable - no" means that you can't take the item, under what circumstances should a thief be depositing something into logistics?


--Skimmel

I am NOT a Rules Marshal.  My comments should only be taken as my opinions and interpretations from questions answered by Rules Marshals.  This is not in any way an official answer.

- phys rep stealable - no:  When stealing the item you may only take the item card.  If the item card is not attached, under the item, or within 5 feet of the item that you can see, you may steal the phys rep, however the phys rep must be turned in at logistics within a reasonable period of time after the theft.  You obviously don't want to be seen walking around with the item, but it does belong to someone else and you want it to be in logistics when they come looking for it so they can turn in the item card.  This is why someone that finds an item of theirs missing should check in at logistics periodically.

- phys rep stealable - yes:  When you steal this item you need to take the phys rep and the item card.  Both should stay together until you are able to "off-load" the item, at which point you or a marshal will return said item to logistics or the individual depending on situation.  If the item card is not attached, under the item, or within 5 feet of the item that you can see, you may steal the phys rep, however the phys rep must be turned in at logistics within a reasonable period of time after the theft.

In either case, my opinion is that it is bad form to hold onto a phys rep beyond Clean-up Hold.  I would recommend speaking to on of the Marshals at that point and informing them that you have a stolen item and want to hand it in so the owner can get back the phys rep (and you can get the item card  )

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Damien broke that down correctly. The circumstance under which you can take a phys rep but then must take it to Logistics is when you take something that does not have an item card with it or attached to it.

Now as a general rule, I would advise anyone pillaging a cabin to consider the presence of item cards on any items as proof of what are IG items and what are OOG props. That is, if the player has already complied with the rules by placing a weapon card next to his claymore prop, then you should assume that the silver bowl on the little altar to Galladell is not an IG item if it has no card. The coin inside the bowl, however...

Presently the rules allow you take everything no matter the circumstance. This is to force compliance with the item rules, because even if you decide to ignore those rules a thief can still rob your items from you. But if it gets out of hand and I hear about characters taking everything in cabins where IG items were clearly marked, then the rules will be reconsidered. At the moment I think the greater problem is people not complying with the item rules. If players misbehave and take props unnecessarily to the point that it's a consistent problem, then we'll change the rules and stop it.

In answer to Paul's question, it doesn't matter. If the arrows are not phys rep stealable then the thief can take all of the cards and go. If they are stealable, then the thief takes all of the arrows that are present and the item cards and is considered to be in possession of all of the arrows on all of the cards (just as the original owner of those arrows was considered to have them all).