The in game section of the forums.

I thought this was the more appropriate place to discuss this. I certainly did not think it was appropriate to discuss this on the in-game boards, so I brought it up here. My apologies if you all think this is more of an in-game matter than an out-of-game matter. Personally I see it as more of an out-of-game issue. My intention was not to start a heated debate!!! Rather, point out how fun the IG boards could be and the possibilities it brings to actual game play if the interesting drama wasn't cut off by nobility or just deleted as often as it is.

Take note of which boards were taken down and which were kept up. Note how the content of one board is very similar to another, but the one which started breeding name calling, yelling, and other 'trollish' behavior was taken down while the other which contained a civil discussion about the same subject matter is still opened and unlocked.

The threads as of late, in my opinion have been done so very well and professionally. Nobility was just the reasoning behind it being taken down, when in reality the moderators were stopping flame wars, no different than in any other forum. I support the decisions of the staff in the recent thread closings.

The majority of nobles are good about being nobles, I've had brush ins with a few, but I have only ever seen one person killed for it; and it was within the confines of the law not because the noble was just murder happy. To add some positivity to this, I want to thank the people on the forums for taking the time to moderate, read, and interact. I've been much more interested and much more excited being part of an active board between this event and the next than ever before. If a thread is closed, you can always make a new one. Just think about why it was closed and try to adjust the attitude of the thread, rather than the content. It works wonders.

To be honest, and this may just be the case for me, but I feel like it really comes down to knowing whether or not you're being insulting or if you're just being curious. When I post, I generally know full well (and sometimes hope) that someone finds the post insulting, as that's what my character would do. She doesn't usually say something if it wouldn't rattle minds or try to make people think. Though I have yet to directly insult a noble because my character is aware it's not a wise move, though there may come a time when she does so.

I feel like the noble's do a good job at doing what they do, and I think they have been justified in their actions. Perhaps it's because I'm used to being yelled at in game for things but there are punishments for insulting nobles (since it's a law) and you really can't expect to just get away with it just because you want to. This is still an IG board and nobles will be there as if it was at the game itself. Like some have offered, if you really want to get into it with someone, PM them.

Even with what's happened I think it's gotten people stirred up in the right way!

As the author of some of the 'trollish' post:

IG is IG. Dan's character essentially called out my brother as a devil worshiper and overall big meanie jerk head. I'm going to call him out on it. I made a blatant attempt to pick a fight, and I'm surprised it was left it up. Take it as IG info - there was someone politically connected enough to keep my antagonizing message up and in the limelight.

We're in a late-feudal society. Class and roles are very clearly defined, you listen to your social betters, and try to get away with what you can. Lords and other nobles can and should be throwing their weight around. That's kind of the point of being the top 0.1% of the feudal world.

Tensions are also high, and the blood rushes to our head. And I would like to apologize for what I had said, because I acted before thinking, and looking back at what I said I realized that I shouldn't have said anything in the first place. I'm sorry.

As someone who's been watching KR for a year now, NPC-weekended twice, and wants to come back when time/money allow, I'd like to toss my two cents in:

Nothing I've seen, and I've been watching for a bit, has discouraged me from wanting to come back to KR, and I'll be as far from being nobility as it really gets when I bring my PC. I certainly see how the nobility can be frustrating, angering, even downright degrading. But I see that within the lens of the character being so. It's soft PVP, and I encourage that sort of thing so long as it's done knowing that out of character, we're all still huge nerds who love a hobby and come together to play every month and enjoy one another's company, if not that of our characters. I've known PC's that I outright despised, that I worked to destroy physically and politically. Many of these have been very close friends and honestly that made the in character vitriol even that much more amusing as we'd laugh about how absurd or righteous our PC's anger was.

And this is just the boards, which your character can choose how they interact with. Come at it from a roleplaying perspective, if you like: The nobles are, in your estimate, being terrible. The players are being players, they're enriching the world. But your character doesn't have to like it! It can breed resentment and even possibly subversive behavior - engage that, but don't let the emotions spill over. Keep your IC dramas -in- character and have fun with them! Watch with glee as your PC squirms with irritation and foments dissent! -Revel- in the dark side of roleplay as much as the light, knowing that, in the end, we're telling a story in which good guy/bad guy isn't a clear line.

Recently at another game I had an item stolen in game. Out of game we were laughing about it - the lift was almost perfect, but I spotted him. even found him later, and let him pass by, just to keep him -nervous-. In character, I was -furious-. But me? I loved the roleplay it created and still is. If you can separate that and take even the worst of other character's behaviors as just a part of the game, it makes things so much more fun!

I know that the social stratification can cross a line (I'm a social activist, part of me wants to scream when I deal with "nobles"! But all in good fun), it can become oppressive if it's not watched, but my experiences with KR have been thus far good. I wouldn't trust 80% of the characters as far as my scrawny dryad arms could throw them, but I'd say that of every LARP I've been to! The players I love interacting with, though.

If you feel that the atmosphere is off, however, that's different. This all seemed very much in line with the characters (what I know of them) and the realm. A bit soft PVP, yes, but far from game breaking at all. Take it all as an opportunity to grow in unexpected directions as a character - those are often the most interesting. Or, if you feel it's the wrong atmosphere for you, voice concerns or find a new realm - there's nothing wrong with that either! I've left plenty of games that just did not suit me, atmospherically. KR I'm still on the fence about, but it attracts me so much I just -gotta- know Also, my friends are doing the "one of us" chant...

The lords and the haughty are there TO BE HAUGHTY. It's part of what they do. They also bankroll and command a lot of town works and when things go -really- wrong, their heads roll. You'd know this as part of the society. You'd either be willing to play their games or not and both avenues, and all those roads in between offer so many opportunities! I admit to taking the easy way out, I'm going to create a character that hardly knows their games exist, at first

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm hoping you'll be encouraged to look at this as an opportunity to engage unexpected roleplaying muscles, to really get a feel for how your character reacts to people being unpleasant. Let it take you off course and drag you into something you didn't expect, or push you off towards a new goal you'd not seen. Or, find a way to vandalize the in game boards and make mockery of the system you hate :evil: But whatever you do, -always- say yes to engaging consequences and surprises and you'll never be bored at a LARP. It's improve at 200 MPH, standing on a tightrope and balancing tea cups. Even if you fail, it'll be spectacular.