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The following is concerning my opinion about torturing in the game only.

In the game, torture is a tool.  It is one that brings pain and suffering on one to get information.  While I would think the Gods of Light, at least some of them, probably wouldn't like it much, it's not too far of a stretch to imagine a Jack Bauer like character who tortures people not because he or she likes it or gets a thrill out of it, but because doing so allows them to get information that can save lives.

I don't think there's a single base class in the game that has to be "evil" per se.  Racketeers, spies, assassins, thieves, chaos warriors, wild mages, and so on, they can all be motivated towards the greater good in some way, shape, or form.

That's what I was thinking which is why we reconsidered torturer as her first class.

I was focusing more on the abilities then the actual class description, since she was more worried about not being able to do anything at a low level. Since torturer gets first aid cheap and extract truth for two I thought it'd be a good way to get some great RP opportunities. I didn't remember ever hearing about classes that MUST be evil either, but I never did a whole lot of research into it myself.

Welcome to the forums, Ashley!

Hey there Ashley,

First of all, welcome to KR. Next let me give you an official answer about Torturers and alignment. There is nothing in the rules that says you have to be good or evil, it is totally up to the player how to portray their character. But what you may want to know about is that there are In Game laws that govern the use of torture. If you use torture methods outside the allowance of the laws of the land, your character could get in trouble. I suggest you take a look at the In Game section of the website under the Baron's Manor (on the navigation bar to the left). There you will find a list of the In Game laws.

If you have any particular questions about the game, feel free to shoot me a PM or send me an email at

Now to answer what seems to be a bit of a confused point of conversation. There are some classes that by the rules are evil. Specifically there are subsets of classes that are evil per the game rules. A clergy character (priest, cleric, and scholar) that follows a dark god is evil just as a Mage with Necromancy is evil. There are means that can occur through play that may lead to a character acquiring a higher list that is considered evil as well.

Welcome Ashley. I love the idea of a torturer class, and a good guy one, I can see great fun rping it. Or evil even, though I can see why some would think such a profession being evil, but it doesn't have to be. Also you could simply just be unprincipled, meaning neither good nor evil, but one who is serious about the profession and feels duty to carrying it out as a service to a liege, master, or powerful businessman/woman. The latter example could be done alot of different ways, but could be one who simply carries out the tasks as needed and doesn't allow morality to get in the way (an interesting scenariouj could be where a close friend is caught up in some troubles and you have to..ahem...extract some info. You might care about him/her but sadly your job is paramount...think like a bookie who's buddy placed serious bets and now can't pay losses lol).

Anything you can dream up, good or bad or indifferent, you can create a motivation. Have fun doing it!

"Is it Safe?" - Marathon Man.

Thanks for clearing that up Brendan, greatly appreciated. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.