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11 years 7 months ago #101800 by Bat Cooper (Cassius23)
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Edwin,

You are sowing discord in your desires.

You long for the days when we had elaborate structures, both physical as well as spiritual and the enemies were as clear as glass.

You long to strike out at those people who you feel slighted you.

I know those feelings, better than you may realize.

You have so much potential in you, Edwin. During the months when so much harm came to Pendarvin you stood with so few to keep the land together. You did and continue to do the hard and tireless work that without it Pendarvin would be little more than a sea of Demons.

You have so much potential. Potential that you are squandering. Potential that you are squandering by engaging in this divisive speech. Potential that you are squandering by focusing on your own power and prestige instead of the simple acts of kindness that I know that you are capable of.

As someone who sees both the good and the bad in you, I beg you to embrace not the "Grand Path" of "Glory" and "Honor", but the little path of humility, of compassion.

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11 years 7 months ago #101822 by Narcis (ChrisR)
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You always know how to make everyone angry Haroldson.

How wonderfully amusing, that in this day of "balance" of "light" and "dark" that still an enemy arises.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but it seems that all that has changed are the teams.

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11 years 7 months ago #101838 by Atrus (Atrus)
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Of course there are ulterior motives, everyone has ulterior motives. It is stupid to think that they do not. But this goes both ways. I have merely pointed out that not only has the Bishop Excommunicated the good "father" but an Angel sent from Valos told him he was wrong in his ways. If this is somehow an attack on his character then perhaps I am in need of instruction.

What I have seen so far is that there has been quite a lot of vile demonizing and many who incite violence, many who refuse to "tolerate" us. It is my purpose to serve my God, just as it is the purpose of many others to serve there own respected deities. So, Hengis, of course I have my motives, currently the one which is being observed is to point out hypocrisy, I hope he does preach and do what he intends, because his corruption serves as a great show of devotion to the Great Deceiver, by all means, allow the heretic to preach, it only serves as a boon to my God. Those who profess to be "good" and "just" who allow blasphemies to be committed, who allow atrocities to be committed, who relish the killing of their enemies, who allow the laws to be anything but impartial-all these acts serve my God, all these acts serve the Dark Pantheon.

Now if the Church decides to do nothing, then clearly they are not nearly as strong as they think or they choose to endorse his acts, (of course I am not speaking of Bat Cooper, he has made his intentions known), if the Nobility chooses to not step in, then they are embracing the heretical preachings of one who has been excommunicated.

So many of the most pious and devout have turned completely from their paths and were Heralds of the Dark Gods, Champions of Chaos, Death and Slaughter. Hengis, I encourage people to be who they are, and point out the hypocrisies which I see. I worship my God because He is the most prevalent force in Travance, and the patron to so many more Travancians than they realize, I worship this God openly and proudly, but so many of you do as well, yet claim not to; they claim to serve the Light, or to serve "justice" and uphold the laws of these lands, to be good and loving individuals. Yet how often can one hear "I'm bored, we should kill something," "I wish there was something to fight," how often one can see so many here taken glee in the killing of another, relishing the moment when they put down their enemy.

Ulterior motives you say, perhaps. Perhaps I wish to live as well. My door is always open, and anyone is welcome to hear me speak, all are encouraged to listen and engage me in conversation. I am not a saint, nor will I ever be, however, being a follower of the Great Deceiver has allowed me to see through the lies of this land, and speaking the truth seems to upset so many here. I need not lie, because the truth is far more damning and damaging than any lie I can think of.

Yours in Faith and Service,

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11 years 7 months ago #101842 by Kuo Kun (Kuo Kun)
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But there is also another important question:

Will there be food or other refreshments served?



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11 years 7 months ago #101844 by Morgan (faewinds)
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Master Haroldson,

Sadly, I won't be able to attend the feast this moon, but reading this confused me a little bit, and I was wondering if you could clarify something for me?

Excommunication is (and this definition may be wrong, I wasn't paying as much attention as I could have when Verrill was giving this lecture) when someone is cut off from the church by the order of the church. From the missive the Bishop posted, that's what happened to you.

My actual question is, I guess, can you ban the dark clergy from your mass? 'Cause they have power within the Church and you sort of...don't?

I'm sorry again, I'm not trying to step on any toes, I'm honestly just confused and would greatly appreciate any clarification you could give me.

Morgan

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11 years 7 months ago - 11 years 7 months ago #101845 by geezer (geezer)
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Let me answer a few questions"

<<I have heard you have been Excommunicated from the Church of Light. If so doesn't this make you persona non grata within the church?>>

My understanding of the Canons of the Church indicate there is no statuts of "persona non grata."

<<If it does make you such would it then be heresy for a Priest or Priestess within the church to attend?>>

It would not be heresy in any event. There are none who contest that those in attendance of a Mass I celebrate will receive some of the tangible benefits that accrue to attendees. If Valos allows such to occur, who can call attendance an ecclesiastic crime?

Morgan - The privileges granted Dark Clergy by His Majesty, in His wisdom, do not extend to their unsolicited participation in Masses dedicated to the Pantheon of Light. In any instance, the Altar is not such that would grant tangible benefits to their followers.

Templar Cooper - i appreciate the criticism, which I know comes without malice on your part. Discord is not my intent - perhaps you need to speak with Aldric about that.

You are in error when you state that I long for the days of elaborate structures. You know I do not hold back when I feel I should engage, you said as much. I have no longing to strike at those who slight me - it is their loss, not mine, if I disengage from them. You know me well enough that if I had such a desire, I would not hold back. Know this also, Templar. When I felt the power of the minor miracles of Valos once more flow into me, I spoke words at a Mass, only to be insulted by Aldric. I left, without fully responding, not wishing to cause dissent. Is that the action of one seeking conflict?

Come to Mass Friday eve, Templar. Listen to my words and then judge my intent. My sermon will bring clarification.

Ava - you add nothing in your attempt to add fuel to what you hope is a fire.

Atrus, you say "of course..." as if you know tht about which you speak. You most assuredly do not, particularly when it comes to my affairs.

Thalia - there has been an Altar of Valos in Pendarvin for as long as I have resided there. I saw no reason to publicize the fact, though I did not hide it.

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