Elijah Crowley and the Crown
27 Aug 2018 12:57 #2
by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell)
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Replied by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
I see no reason why his claim is not at least worth investigating. I have spoken with the young man a few times in the past, and I agree with your assessment of his character. I am not familiar with his educational background, but he is young and intelligent enough to be trained in the art of statecraft.
I believe the first thing to do here is to determine exactly where in the line of succession he falls. While we are certain that he is of the Nostrov bloodline, let's be realistic: if the line of succession was clear, we would already have a new king. For example, are either of his parents alive? If so, they automatically have a stronger claim. We need his full lineage.
I believe the first thing to do here is to determine exactly where in the line of succession he falls. While we are certain that he is of the Nostrov bloodline, let's be realistic: if the line of succession was clear, we would already have a new king. For example, are either of his parents alive? If so, they automatically have a stronger claim. We need his full lineage.
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27 Aug 2018 14:31 #3
by Moostrav Potrevski (jacobferragamo@yahoo.com)
Moostrav Potrevski
1 of the 8 Heads of the Potrevski family
Jacob F.
Replied by Moostrav Potrevski (jacobferragamo@yahoo.com) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
To his captors we offered three silver. We have never even heard of the boy until this feast, and find the willingness of others to offer their “lives” appalling.
The lot claims to be heros, but you cannot do so blindly. Those who merely chanted along we would refer to as gullible moreso then any other trait.
This being said, we stand with Aleister in support of the boy Elijah. Yet with dramatically less enthusiasm.
The lot claims to be heros, but you cannot do so blindly. Those who merely chanted along we would refer to as gullible moreso then any other trait.
This being said, we stand with Aleister in support of the boy Elijah. Yet with dramatically less enthusiasm.
Moostrav Potrevski
1 of the 8 Heads of the Potrevski family
Jacob F.
27 Aug 2018 21:16 #7
by Moostrav Potrevski (jacobferragamo@yahoo.com)
Moostrav Potrevski
1 of the 8 Heads of the Potrevski family
Jacob F.
Replied by Moostrav Potrevski (jacobferragamo@yahoo.com) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
Everyone understands the personal nature to your backing. Hence there is question and remark to the decision. We simply include our stature to this matter, with our own reasons to the matter, and pair it with yours. Zealots don't encourage their goals questioned.
Moostrav Potrevski
1 of the 8 Heads of the Potrevski family
Jacob F.
29 Aug 2018 14:14 #12
by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell)
Excellent questions. I will do my best to answer. I'm sure Lord Tartaros will step in if I have incorrect information.
1. They wouldn't need any more convincing. The trouble is with the word "best". There are no direct descendants of the late king, nor are there any members of his immediate family around. When it comes to extended bloodlines, it is not so clear who is closest in line. You're looking at the difference between relations like a thrice-removed nephew and the daughter of a great-grandfather's brother. At levels of removal like that, other noble houses or even someone like the King Regent may have a stronger claim.
Remember also that it is not only blood, but alliances, treaties, and other things of that nature that can determine someone's position in the line. If someone is determined to be the closest blood relative, but an old treaty between their house and another house states that they are to serve this second house, then their position is actually lower in the line that it would initially appear.
I have done portal arithmancy that is less complicated than tracing peerage lines & claims.
2. It is somewhat akin to our Baronial Council, except at a much more powerful level. They are empowered by ancient law to decide if a candidate for sovereign is an appropriate choice, though I do believe it's been a very long time since they've had to do anything except state for the record that the new king is of the former king's direct issue.
3. They are empowered justly, so their decision is just.
4. Because we are not a nation of war-tribes, and acknowledge that the best leaders are not always going to be the ones who are strongest in hand-to-hand combat.
In Service to Travance,
Seneschal Lois Blair-Heimdell
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Replied by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
Donald MacFhionnlaigh (raidr0933) wrote: 1. If he were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be the best claimant, why would the Royal Court need any more convincing?
2. What is the Royal Court?
3. What is the plan should the Royal Court reject this lad unjustly?
4. Why don't we just put all the challengers in an arena and handle this by tourney?
Excellent questions. I will do my best to answer. I'm sure Lord Tartaros will step in if I have incorrect information.
1. They wouldn't need any more convincing. The trouble is with the word "best". There are no direct descendants of the late king, nor are there any members of his immediate family around. When it comes to extended bloodlines, it is not so clear who is closest in line. You're looking at the difference between relations like a thrice-removed nephew and the daughter of a great-grandfather's brother. At levels of removal like that, other noble houses or even someone like the King Regent may have a stronger claim.
Remember also that it is not only blood, but alliances, treaties, and other things of that nature that can determine someone's position in the line. If someone is determined to be the closest blood relative, but an old treaty between their house and another house states that they are to serve this second house, then their position is actually lower in the line that it would initially appear.
I have done portal arithmancy that is less complicated than tracing peerage lines & claims.
2. It is somewhat akin to our Baronial Council, except at a much more powerful level. They are empowered by ancient law to decide if a candidate for sovereign is an appropriate choice, though I do believe it's been a very long time since they've had to do anything except state for the record that the new king is of the former king's direct issue.
3. They are empowered justly, so their decision is just.
4. Because we are not a nation of war-tribes, and acknowledge that the best leaders are not always going to be the ones who are strongest in hand-to-hand combat.
In Service to Travance,
Seneschal Lois Blair-Heimdell
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29 Aug 2018 22:02 #14
by O. Nesterin (kuemanner)
OOG: Nick Culberson
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Replied by O. Nesterin (kuemanner) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
I only knew Mister Crowley for a short time but he seems like a good lad. I back him as well.
| Ser Oacenth Nesterin Knight Advisor of Alisandria Dragoon of House Melebrine |
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31 Aug 2018 16:47 #20
by Moostrav Potrevski (jacobferragamo@yahoo.com)
Moostrav Potrevski
1 of the 8 Heads of the Potrevski family
Jacob F.
Replied by Moostrav Potrevski (jacobferragamo@yahoo.com) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
Burkhart,
Its not uncommon for people of yours to be misunderstood on the topics of magic. We often find you misunderstood on many things.
A debted man shouldn't talk on the matter or those they owe; we expect full compensation for those materials we handed you, since YOU can no longer make a weapon or provide the equivalent.... there where witnesses to this deal if your memory is misunderstood as it usually is.
Its not uncommon for people of yours to be misunderstood on the topics of magic. We often find you misunderstood on many things.
A debted man shouldn't talk on the matter or those they owe; we expect full compensation for those materials we handed you, since YOU can no longer make a weapon or provide the equivalent.... there where witnesses to this deal if your memory is misunderstood as it usually is.
Moostrav Potrevski
1 of the 8 Heads of the Potrevski family
Jacob F.
04 Sep 2018 21:53 #22
by Aria (Aria)
Dame Tari ZhafirahStonebar Deldragon of the Order of the Sagewardens
Dean of Arcane Studies of the Darkwood Acadamy of the Metaphysical Arts
Playing with fire is bad for those who burn themselves. For the rest of us, it is a very great pleasure....
Replied by Aria (Aria) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
I admit that I have not had a chance to meet him, though I have heard a lot of good things. While your endorsement speaks volumes Lord Tartaros I have some questions I need answered before I decide, do you know if there will be an opportunity to speak with him at some point?
Dame Tari Zhafirah
Dean of Arcane Studies of the Darkwood Acadamy of the Metaphysical Arts
Playing with fire is bad for those who burn themselves. For the rest of us, it is a very great pleasure....
09 Sep 2018 17:53 #23
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
Magistrate of Travance
R. Tzaareth
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Verrill Lebastion,
House Elder of House Bastion
Xeno-theologist
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Monster Marshal
Replied by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
The lads head is in the right place. I sense he'll make our investments worthwhile if we place our equity in him.
Signed,
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Magistrate of Travance
R. Tzaareth
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House Elder of House Bastion
Xeno-theologist
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Monster Marshal
20 Sep 2018 14:24 #24
by Ninnyhammer (Anna Collins)
Lira Ninnyhammer, Baronial Inquisitor
OOG: Anna Collins
Replied by Ninnyhammer (Anna Collins) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
All I care to say is that if your advocacy for Mr Crowley is born solely of loyalty to the Lord Admiral or a passing friendliness to this newest candidate, I urge you to find further reason. The Lord Admiral indeed inspires loyalty. Mr Crowley is indeed a friendly, virtuous man. I pay neither of them any disrespect. But your support is precious, and it shouldn’t be thrown around in a manner so cavalier. Investigate Mr Crowley’s character and qualifications thoroughly, and behold his promise or his inadequacy for yourself. Exercise your own mind, examine your own heart. Don’t proclaim advocacy for one of the most influential positions in existence over blind fealty or a friendly face.
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20 Sep 2018 22:05 #25
by Moostrav Potrevski (jacobferragamo@yahoo.com)
Moostrav Potrevski
1 of the 8 Heads of the Potrevski family
Jacob F.
Replied by Moostrav Potrevski (jacobferragamo@yahoo.com) on topic Elijah Crowley and the Crown
Ninnyhammer,
You are wrong in a few regards, Aleister is not inspiring; he's no different then any man. Then to think the position of the crown matters is futile, people will place their hands to the regards of whomever they seem fit; whomever the lot appoints to the crown, we believe will surly be sub-par at their peak, intelligent often have the key feature of being unintelligent. So as much as your potentially ill placed warnings might try and spread good light, you are only serving to waist peoples time.
To the common man,
Side with whomever you seem fit, know that only the majority matters, and whatever comes out of the cesspool that is the thinking of those you place authority in will only ever allot to the results we put forth to Ninny. We still find it in speculation, of why this decision is being wrapped around blood. Who ever said one with Royal Blood had to be King, why not you?
That being said, we side still with the boy, for our own reasons you disdainfully ask people to outline. Our reason is simple. When someone speaks on your behalf, even in futility, you are to show them some level of gratitude. This is proper.
You are wrong in a few regards, Aleister is not inspiring; he's no different then any man. Then to think the position of the crown matters is futile, people will place their hands to the regards of whomever they seem fit; whomever the lot appoints to the crown, we believe will surly be sub-par at their peak, intelligent often have the key feature of being unintelligent. So as much as your potentially ill placed warnings might try and spread good light, you are only serving to waist peoples time.
To the common man,
Side with whomever you seem fit, know that only the majority matters, and whatever comes out of the cesspool that is the thinking of those you place authority in will only ever allot to the results we put forth to Ninny. We still find it in speculation, of why this decision is being wrapped around blood. Who ever said one with Royal Blood had to be King, why not you?
That being said, we side still with the boy, for our own reasons you disdainfully ask people to outline. Our reason is simple. When someone speaks on your behalf, even in futility, you are to show them some level of gratitude. This is proper.
Moostrav Potrevski
1 of the 8 Heads of the Potrevski family
Jacob F.
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