Let us not allow the Blazing Sun to blind us from the truth!
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6 years 11 months ago - 6 years 11 months ago #164104
by Damien Marcain (Mike P.)
Finally, let us look at the first two laws of Travance:
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse from the law.
Insanity does not excuse oneself from the law.
Moostrav discredits you for not being firm in your words. I discredit you for trying to lecture us on a subject you seem to have no understanding of.
~Damien Marcain
Vassal of Albriar
Archivist of the Order of the Sagewardens
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Replied by Damien Marcain (Mike P.) on topic Let us not allow the Blazing Sun to blind us from the truth!
Zanthios,
Regardless of what everyone else has been saying up to this point, although it should be said I don't discredit Moostrav, and give their words far more value than you appear to be, I feel I should speak up and say something.
You writing and act as if the events of the past feast have not yet occurred. The Blazing Suns have been fought with already. And yes, we were given orders to attempt to speak with them first, and try to tell them they could be given a second change away from their cult, and personally, I gave them each opportunities. But the men and women you speak of were killing people. Not considering it, not debating it, not asking us to change our minds. They killed me not more than a week ago. I am lucky to have a soul strong enough to come back, a concept which I was very unfamiliar with as one of them was slitting my throat.
The point I make is, this battle you attempt to preach to us on pacifism about is already done. And we killed them. Because otherwise, the men, women, children, people, heroes, commonfolk, everyone would've died in their self-righteous fires. And now they have joined with our enemies in a long, bitter civil war. We met them on the battlefield in war already. If we do so again, nothing will change.
You seem to be the only one in Travance that doesn't understand this. You seem to be the only one in Travance that would prefer we let each other die for the sake of already attempted and already failed civilized discourse.
Regardless of what everyone else has been saying up to this point, although it should be said I don't discredit Moostrav, and give their words far more value than you appear to be, I feel I should speak up and say something.
You writing and act as if the events of the past feast have not yet occurred. The Blazing Suns have been fought with already. And yes, we were given orders to attempt to speak with them first, and try to tell them they could be given a second change away from their cult, and personally, I gave them each opportunities. But the men and women you speak of were killing people. Not considering it, not debating it, not asking us to change our minds. They killed me not more than a week ago. I am lucky to have a soul strong enough to come back, a concept which I was very unfamiliar with as one of them was slitting my throat.
The point I make is, this battle you attempt to preach to us on pacifism about is already done. And we killed them. Because otherwise, the men, women, children, people, heroes, commonfolk, everyone would've died in their self-righteous fires. And now they have joined with our enemies in a long, bitter civil war. We met them on the battlefield in war already. If we do so again, nothing will change.
You seem to be the only one in Travance that doesn't understand this. You seem to be the only one in Travance that would prefer we let each other die for the sake of already attempted and already failed civilized discourse.
Finally, let us look at the first two laws of Travance:
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse from the law.
Insanity does not excuse oneself from the law.
Moostrav discredits you for not being firm in your words. I discredit you for trying to lecture us on a subject you seem to have no understanding of.
~Damien Marcain
Vassal of Albriar
Archivist of the Order of the Sagewardens
(OOG: Mike Packi)
Last edit: 6 years 11 months ago by Damien Marcain (Mike P.).
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6 years 11 months ago #164105
by Jenn Cutter (Jenn)
Dr. Selby Wainwright
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Replied by Jenn Cutter (Jenn) on topic Let us not allow the Blazing Sun to blind us from the truth!
Zanthios.
You act as though we have not been doing everything possible to save these people who are not in control of themselves. As though there weren't five of us last feast constantly working to try to figure out what Dr. Kristophsky did to these people. As though we did not already save the three Celestials. Until we learn more about what was done to them and about how to fix them, there is nothing we can do to save them. Several of us are continuing to work on this problem; these people have not been forgotten. But until we have figure out how to save them, they will continue to attack us and be willing to kill us. Therefore, we must defend ourselves.
You act as though we have not been doing everything possible to save these people who are not in control of themselves. As though there weren't five of us last feast constantly working to try to figure out what Dr. Kristophsky did to these people. As though we did not already save the three Celestials. Until we learn more about what was done to them and about how to fix them, there is nothing we can do to save them. Several of us are continuing to work on this problem; these people have not been forgotten. But until we have figure out how to save them, they will continue to attack us and be willing to kill us. Therefore, we must defend ourselves.
Dr. Selby Wainwright
Viceroy of Albriar
Quartermaster of the Blood Spirits Mercenary Company
Acting Guildmaster of the Travancian Crafters Guild
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6 years 11 months ago - 6 years 11 months ago #164106
by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios)
Replied by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios) on topic Let us not allow the Blazing Sun to blind us from the truth!
Dr. Selby,
I’m not sure if all of the Travancians were in attendance or at the proper during the time of travances action. My message on the board can serve as a reminder or a briefing concerning where our attention and focus should maybe be, if it’s not already known. Securing good perspective is maybe due and appropriate. This perhaps heightenes the importance and gives insight as to what the agenda of travance should maybe be.
Dr. Kristophsky appeared at the Dragon Claw Inn and had a conversation about the terms of his surrender, if I’m not mistaken.
Perhaps our objective should be secure and make safe the docter’s surrender, and secure the innocent, for these things are perhaps just and can effect their morale of the Blazing Sun given the potential surrrender of someone in leadership.
We can perhaps cause many of them to defect from The Blazing Sun which can lead to a surrender.
Maybe we should collectively attempt to free Dr. Krostophsky and work towards freeing the potential innocent and their surrender, simultaneously.
I’m not sure if all of the Travancians were in attendance or at the proper during the time of travances action. My message on the board can serve as a reminder or a briefing concerning where our attention and focus should maybe be, if it’s not already known. Securing good perspective is maybe due and appropriate. This perhaps heightenes the importance and gives insight as to what the agenda of travance should maybe be.
Dr. Kristophsky appeared at the Dragon Claw Inn and had a conversation about the terms of his surrender, if I’m not mistaken.
Perhaps our objective should be secure and make safe the docter’s surrender, and secure the innocent, for these things are perhaps just and can effect their morale of the Blazing Sun given the potential surrrender of someone in leadership.
We can perhaps cause many of them to defect from The Blazing Sun which can lead to a surrender.
Maybe we should collectively attempt to free Dr. Krostophsky and work towards freeing the potential innocent and their surrender, simultaneously.
Last edit: 6 years 11 months ago by Zanthios Tartaros (Zanthios).
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6 years 11 months ago - 6 years 11 months ago #164107
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
Replied by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby) on topic Let us not allow the Blazing Sun to blind us from the truth!
Zanthios,
We have been saving these scum left and right with little purpose beyond a moralizing victory against those so feeble minded they cannot decide whether or not the murder of children, what would theoretically be my children, is a permissible moral act in the eyes of God King Valos.
Now that the homefront has been secured against these filth, there will be no quarter for their agents. They wield a place of power that enables them to flee so readily from the field back to whatever hovel they call a cathedral. They conspire with the enemy. They want to play soldier, we'll kill them like soldiers.
That's more then they deserve,
We have been saving these scum left and right with little purpose beyond a moralizing victory against those so feeble minded they cannot decide whether or not the murder of children, what would theoretically be my children, is a permissible moral act in the eyes of God King Valos.
Now that the homefront has been secured against these filth, there will be no quarter for their agents. They wield a place of power that enables them to flee so readily from the field back to whatever hovel they call a cathedral. They conspire with the enemy. They want to play soldier, we'll kill them like soldiers.
That's more then they deserve,
Last edit: 6 years 11 months ago by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell).
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6 years 11 months ago - 6 years 11 months ago #164108
by Annora (Karen)
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Replied by Annora (Karen) on topic Let us not allow the Blazing Sun to blind us from the truth!
I summarized the entire events of last feast on these boards
here
, including the key members of the Blazing Suns leadership and which ones are definitely innocents that need to be saved.
Please stop making a mockery out of all the hard work many individuals, including Victor, Selby, and myself did last feast to find out more information about this cult. If you would like to actually understand what is going on, please ask any of us instead of lecturing those more informed than yourself on topics you do not understand. We would be glad to share our notes with you.
If you had read ANYTHING I WROTE, you would know that Dr Kristophsky is an amoral, unethical man ruthless in his pursuit of scientific 'progress'. He will not switch his loyalties to Travance out of the kindness of his heart. Please stop telling people WHO WERE THERE MEETING WITH HIM how to handle an individual you have never met.
Please make some effort to educate yourself on this topic before continuing to lecture others about it, and possibly then your comments will not be met with as much scorn.
Please stop making a mockery out of all the hard work many individuals, including Victor, Selby, and myself did last feast to find out more information about this cult. If you would like to actually understand what is going on, please ask any of us instead of lecturing those more informed than yourself on topics you do not understand. We would be glad to share our notes with you.
If you had read ANYTHING I WROTE, you would know that Dr Kristophsky is an amoral, unethical man ruthless in his pursuit of scientific 'progress'. He will not switch his loyalties to Travance out of the kindness of his heart. Please stop telling people WHO WERE THERE MEETING WITH HIM how to handle an individual you have never met.
Please make some effort to educate yourself on this topic before continuing to lecture others about it, and possibly then your comments will not be met with as much scorn.
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Last edit: 6 years 11 months ago by Annora (Karen).
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6 years 11 months ago - 6 years 11 months ago #164109
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
Replied by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby) on topic Let us not allow the Blazing Sun to blind us from the truth!
Doubters who remain,
I am aware of their sparse reasons for committing war crimes and enabling the deaths of the innocent. Lobotomized victims I do not see as members of the blazing sun. They are victims, same as generations of my faith who have been persecuted, tortured, murdered and burned by this order. Mother confessor has seen the full truth of the horrors her orders commit. If there is any piece of Aguara left fighting in her- and it is so weak it cannot break these chains in any meaningful way- I would see it dead and her soul at rest instead of the walking mockery it continues to be.
The little girl is coerced and trapped with her sickly excuse for a brother. Beyond that lot I do not care for their reasons. They have been persecuting a genocidal war against my people for over 10 years. There is no quantification for their sin.
If in this dark hour, it finally falls to my kin to draw up the righteous flaming sword unto this malignance, then by all means, step back o gentle soul- o kind and benevolent host. Leave it to me and the righteous who have joined me on this field to burn out this malefactor so many seek to traffic with.
You can justify it to Galladel when all is said and done. I am confident he will be understanding,
I am aware of their sparse reasons for committing war crimes and enabling the deaths of the innocent. Lobotomized victims I do not see as members of the blazing sun. They are victims, same as generations of my faith who have been persecuted, tortured, murdered and burned by this order. Mother confessor has seen the full truth of the horrors her orders commit. If there is any piece of Aguara left fighting in her- and it is so weak it cannot break these chains in any meaningful way- I would see it dead and her soul at rest instead of the walking mockery it continues to be.
The little girl is coerced and trapped with her sickly excuse for a brother. Beyond that lot I do not care for their reasons. They have been persecuting a genocidal war against my people for over 10 years. There is no quantification for their sin.
If in this dark hour, it finally falls to my kin to draw up the righteous flaming sword unto this malignance, then by all means, step back o gentle soul- o kind and benevolent host. Leave it to me and the righteous who have joined me on this field to burn out this malefactor so many seek to traffic with.
You can justify it to Galladel when all is said and done. I am confident he will be understanding,
Last edit: 6 years 11 months ago by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby).
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