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- fathertain

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15 years 5 months ago - 15 years 5 months ago #47423
by fathertain (fathertain)
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Brother Tellinghast,
My title is Seneschal, not Chancellor. I have given all due respect to your family members, and to you in addressing them formally and with proper title. I am certain you ment no offense, and ofcourse, i take none.
My title is Seneschal, not Chancellor. I have given all due respect to your family members, and to you in addressing them formally and with proper title. I am certain you ment no offense, and ofcourse, i take none.
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- Tiriel

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15 years 5 months ago #47425
by Tiriel (Tiriel)
Brother Tiriel Tellinghast
Valrkirin Urulokion, in service to Lord Blackthorne
Turin MacLeod (NPC)
Terry
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Good Seneschal,
my deepest apologies on my mistaking your title. I know full well that you are the Seneschal of the Barony, as noted in my second posting. I would blame the vast quantities of beer that I have drunk this evening, but, as everyone knows, it takes far more than simply a keg of beer to inebriate an inveterate drinker such as myself, thus I have no choice but to admit to having made an error. Perhaps it was due to haste, but more likely I was writing faster than I was thinking, and mixed myself up. That happens on occasion.
My thanks for your forgiveness, you know I hold nothing but deepest respect for you and your position, and, as penance, and to reaffirm our relationship, I would like to buy several rounds of drinks the next time we should both be in the Proper together.
Walk in the Light, my friend, and I hope to share a bottle or three with you soon,
Brother Tiriel Tellinghast
Cleric of Valos
my deepest apologies on my mistaking your title. I know full well that you are the Seneschal of the Barony, as noted in my second posting. I would blame the vast quantities of beer that I have drunk this evening, but, as everyone knows, it takes far more than simply a keg of beer to inebriate an inveterate drinker such as myself, thus I have no choice but to admit to having made an error. Perhaps it was due to haste, but more likely I was writing faster than I was thinking, and mixed myself up. That happens on occasion.
My thanks for your forgiveness, you know I hold nothing but deepest respect for you and your position, and, as penance, and to reaffirm our relationship, I would like to buy several rounds of drinks the next time we should both be in the Proper together.
Walk in the Light, my friend, and I hope to share a bottle or three with you soon,
Brother Tiriel Tellinghast
Cleric of Valos
Brother Tiriel Tellinghast
Valrkirin Urulokion, in service to Lord Blackthorne
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Terry
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15 years 5 months ago #47430
by Ardentfyre (Ardentfyre)
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Brother Tiriel,
The quotation you've placed here is not based upon those who have sworn fealty to a Lord or Baron, it is for those of faith who choose to stay among the common folk. Those men and women are subject to the clergy's punishments and law, but an oath made to Nobility still holds it's bond. This is a matter that Lord Templar Aradiel should address with the Baron directly as Templar Kensington has been a boon to the Barony for all his time in the position.
That being said, the Lord Templar has made his decree, should the Baron or any of the Lords take issue I'm certain it will be done in private and resolved accordingly.
The quotation you've placed here is not based upon those who have sworn fealty to a Lord or Baron, it is for those of faith who choose to stay among the common folk. Those men and women are subject to the clergy's punishments and law, but an oath made to Nobility still holds it's bond. This is a matter that Lord Templar Aradiel should address with the Baron directly as Templar Kensington has been a boon to the Barony for all his time in the position.
That being said, the Lord Templar has made his decree, should the Baron or any of the Lords take issue I'm certain it will be done in private and resolved accordingly.
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15 years 5 months ago #47488
by Tiriel (Tiriel)
Brother Tiriel Tellinghast
Valrkirin Urulokion, in service to Lord Blackthorne
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Three things I wish to point out, in case those reading these messages do not hold all the information necessary to understand what Lord Templar Aradiel is saying.
First, do you think that the Lord Aradiel did not speak to the Baron, the Baron's court, and the available Lords of the land? Do you think Lord Templar Aradiel posted this notice on a whim? For those that do not know, the Baron, the Count, the Magistrate, and Lords Abendroth and Brightstar were involved in long conversation with both Lord Templar Aradiel and Knight Templar Sabatheous. While I was not privy to the entirety of the conversation, I would politely suggest that any who feel that the Lord Templar has acted out of his purview should either check with their own superiors to see if any conversation did take, or write Lord Aradiel privately, so as to inquire about said actions.
Having said that, Lord Templar Aradiel will no longer tolerate any undermining of his authority in this area. He reminds you that his authority is equal to that of a Cardinal in high standing, and second only to the Pontiff himself. Anyone who who chooses to question this authority in such a public fashion shall find Lord Templar Aradiel's ire turned upon them, backed by the full weight of his position.
Secondly, and this is directly largely to Lord Ardentfyre, as I believe he may be misinformed of the nature of Church vows. The first Vow that any clergy member of the Church of Light takes is the Vow of Obedience. It is the only Vow that is required of every clergyman of any rank. Essentially, it declares that the clergyman is turning his life over to his God and the Church, and will perform as directed, without question or delay. The Vow of Obedience cuts through any secular vows that a person may have made previously in his life, and stands above all other vows he may be asked to make later in his life. A clergyman may be released from his Vow of Obedience only by the authority of the Church. He may never choose, of his own volition, to end the Vow. It is the responsibility of the avowed clergyman to inform any secular power that he might later swear a vow to, that he has already sworn to a Vow of Obedience, and thus circumstances my arise where he might be forsworn. It is then up to the secular power to either agree to this caveat, or to reject it, and release the avowed clergyman from service.
Finally, I am afraid that there are those who might think that I, Tiriel, take it upon my self to post such things, and do so out of my own sense of entitlement. I assure you that everything I post, in regards to Church doctrine, or the actions of the Church, or the Tellinghast family, is approved by my superiors, in this case Lord Templar Aradiel and Knight Templar Sabatheous. My words here are not the mutterings of a disgruntled cleric, but rather the words of the Church, approved by the head of the Church on this side of the Rift, Lord Templar Aradiel Tellinghast, of the Order of the Brilliant Hammer.
I apologize for the length of this missive, and for it's blunt statements, but these are hard times coming, and we felt that the message of Lord Templar Aradiel was being misconstrued and perhaps diluted. This should reaffirm that all is as it should be, and that Lord Templar Aradiel's declarations are both legal and within his authority and purview.
Walk in the Light,
Brother Tiriel Tellinghast
Cleric of Valos
"Only in death does duty end".
First, do you think that the Lord Aradiel did not speak to the Baron, the Baron's court, and the available Lords of the land? Do you think Lord Templar Aradiel posted this notice on a whim? For those that do not know, the Baron, the Count, the Magistrate, and Lords Abendroth and Brightstar were involved in long conversation with both Lord Templar Aradiel and Knight Templar Sabatheous. While I was not privy to the entirety of the conversation, I would politely suggest that any who feel that the Lord Templar has acted out of his purview should either check with their own superiors to see if any conversation did take, or write Lord Aradiel privately, so as to inquire about said actions.
Having said that, Lord Templar Aradiel will no longer tolerate any undermining of his authority in this area. He reminds you that his authority is equal to that of a Cardinal in high standing, and second only to the Pontiff himself. Anyone who who chooses to question this authority in such a public fashion shall find Lord Templar Aradiel's ire turned upon them, backed by the full weight of his position.
Secondly, and this is directly largely to Lord Ardentfyre, as I believe he may be misinformed of the nature of Church vows. The first Vow that any clergy member of the Church of Light takes is the Vow of Obedience. It is the only Vow that is required of every clergyman of any rank. Essentially, it declares that the clergyman is turning his life over to his God and the Church, and will perform as directed, without question or delay. The Vow of Obedience cuts through any secular vows that a person may have made previously in his life, and stands above all other vows he may be asked to make later in his life. A clergyman may be released from his Vow of Obedience only by the authority of the Church. He may never choose, of his own volition, to end the Vow. It is the responsibility of the avowed clergyman to inform any secular power that he might later swear a vow to, that he has already sworn to a Vow of Obedience, and thus circumstances my arise where he might be forsworn. It is then up to the secular power to either agree to this caveat, or to reject it, and release the avowed clergyman from service.
Finally, I am afraid that there are those who might think that I, Tiriel, take it upon my self to post such things, and do so out of my own sense of entitlement. I assure you that everything I post, in regards to Church doctrine, or the actions of the Church, or the Tellinghast family, is approved by my superiors, in this case Lord Templar Aradiel and Knight Templar Sabatheous. My words here are not the mutterings of a disgruntled cleric, but rather the words of the Church, approved by the head of the Church on this side of the Rift, Lord Templar Aradiel Tellinghast, of the Order of the Brilliant Hammer.
I apologize for the length of this missive, and for it's blunt statements, but these are hard times coming, and we felt that the message of Lord Templar Aradiel was being misconstrued and perhaps diluted. This should reaffirm that all is as it should be, and that Lord Templar Aradiel's declarations are both legal and within his authority and purview.
Walk in the Light,
Brother Tiriel Tellinghast
Cleric of Valos
"Only in death does duty end".
Brother Tiriel Tellinghast
Valrkirin Urulokion, in service to Lord Blackthorne
Turin MacLeod (NPC)
Terry
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15 years 5 months ago #47518
by Quin (Quin)
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Sirs,
Perhaps this conversation would be best concluded in person, at the next Baronial feast or in personal missives, before any more is said? It does not do well to see matters of Church and Barony brought up in such a manner. I pray you do not think me so bold to say so, but lesser minds may think poorly on heated words such as the ones spoken in these messages.
Blessings,
Quin K.
Perhaps this conversation would be best concluded in person, at the next Baronial feast or in personal missives, before any more is said? It does not do well to see matters of Church and Barony brought up in such a manner. I pray you do not think me so bold to say so, but lesser minds may think poorly on heated words such as the ones spoken in these messages.
Blessings,
Quin K.
Quin K.
It isn't enough to talk about peace, one must believe it.
And it isn't enough to believe in it, one must work for it.
Emily (MM/RPM)
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15 years 5 months ago #47522
by Odo Garaath (Odo)
"Praise be to Enax, and blessing to his followers."
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I disagree with you Mother Quinn,
Taking things into private should be done to ensure the safety of the town or to keep this posting board light and on it's tacks, in my opinion. Considering these changes affect the town greatly, I would think it would be best interest to keep this a public discussion. The changes run too deep to cover it over with a veil of secrecy, and have it not become susceptible to rumor and gossip.
It is only my opinion as a long serving citizen and servant to the Barony.
Odo Garaath
Trades Law Enforcer under Chancellor Na
Master Mason of Travance
Taking things into private should be done to ensure the safety of the town or to keep this posting board light and on it's tacks, in my opinion. Considering these changes affect the town greatly, I would think it would be best interest to keep this a public discussion. The changes run too deep to cover it over with a veil of secrecy, and have it not become susceptible to rumor and gossip.
It is only my opinion as a long serving citizen and servant to the Barony.
Odo Garaath
Trades Law Enforcer under Chancellor Na
Master Mason of Travance
"Praise be to Enax, and blessing to his followers."
(Tom Senger )
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