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14 years 9 months ago #55580
by Rannick (Rannick)
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Replied by Rannick (Rannick) on topic Legal Questions
I've thought of something regarding my example ... I mentioned "repeat-offense Torture." The example makes no sense, as my drafted charter has a policy against "mistreatment of the enemy." Anyone who is cruel to a prisoner, breaks a truce, or anything of that nature would be fined, beaten, and expelled. We also have a general policy against "conduct unbecoming the Company," so anyone who has been convicted of torture ONCE wouldn't BE in the Company, any more.
Unless, I suppose, they had been convicted of torture before getting into the Company ... but I would rather not have people like that in the ranks.
Say ... now that I think of it, Inquisitor Ralenfolly, you could be of considerable assistance in my recruiting efforts. I would like to know something of the background of anyone wanting to join. Would you be willing to do background checks? Or, at the very least, if I came to you with a list of potential recruits, would you be able to tell me what sort of legal trouble they've been in, if any?
You should probably do something like this with whomever you induct into the town guard, if you don't already.
Unless, I suppose, they had been convicted of torture before getting into the Company ... but I would rather not have people like that in the ranks.
Say ... now that I think of it, Inquisitor Ralenfolly, you could be of considerable assistance in my recruiting efforts. I would like to know something of the background of anyone wanting to join. Would you be willing to do background checks? Or, at the very least, if I came to you with a list of potential recruits, would you be able to tell me what sort of legal trouble they've been in, if any?
You should probably do something like this with whomever you induct into the town guard, if you don't already.
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14 years 9 months ago #55581
by Corvin Ralenfolly (SteveM)
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Replied by Corvin Ralenfolly (SteveM) on topic Legal Questions
"Rannick",
If you wish to be treated as an adult, you will act like one, if you wish to mock my words and belittle what I have to say, we can have words or however you express your distaste for a an individual in person.
For those ignorant or for persons such as your self, the "Guild-Law" you are quoting dose not apply to a Charter, it applies to a Mages Guild Leader, where students illegal studies have lead to Necromancy in the past, thus the King and by default our Baron have the right to perform their own laws on students to make sure none lead to the dark path and to dispatch them if needed, and are found to be Necromancers.
I can see by the way you speak you are only forming this to have "Full Legal Reign" over folks and I would advice all in Travance to steer clear of you.
In-fact I hope what "Guild",you are speaking of and hopefully becoming the "Guild Master" of is not the Storm Runners ,who I know you to have been involved in, in fact the Storm Runners are currently disbanded by Order of Sir Mcdermitt, and all members of such have been ordered to questioning for Treason to Travance.
So I will be seeing you at the very beginning of this moon, "Rannick"
Your name has been on my list from the other members of this group that were questioned as a person in charge. If you are found in charge of this group, you will be subject to the penalty of Practicing Espionage against the Barony as information gathered that the leaders of this group had plans to over throw the Barony, also if in questioning I find that this particular conversation is about the Storm Runners, and I "will be asking", you are now in violation of a direct baronial knights orders which will be a second strike of Practicing Espionage against the Barony on you.
Feel free to look up the penalties for this law in the "Baronial Library."
It is against the law for me to invade someones mind against their will to check on their beliefs or opinions on the laws of Travance or even to see what their favorite color is, the subject of a persons background of legal trouble in Travance can be discussed with the Baron on a case by case basis.
If you wish to persist on this topic of ways to take the baronial laws in to your own hands feel free.
If you wish to be treated as an adult, you will act like one, if you wish to mock my words and belittle what I have to say, we can have words or however you express your distaste for a an individual in person.
For those ignorant or for persons such as your self, the "Guild-Law" you are quoting dose not apply to a Charter, it applies to a Mages Guild Leader, where students illegal studies have lead to Necromancy in the past, thus the King and by default our Baron have the right to perform their own laws on students to make sure none lead to the dark path and to dispatch them if needed, and are found to be Necromancers.
I can see by the way you speak you are only forming this to have "Full Legal Reign" over folks and I would advice all in Travance to steer clear of you.
In-fact I hope what "Guild",you are speaking of and hopefully becoming the "Guild Master" of is not the Storm Runners ,who I know you to have been involved in, in fact the Storm Runners are currently disbanded by Order of Sir Mcdermitt, and all members of such have been ordered to questioning for Treason to Travance.
So I will be seeing you at the very beginning of this moon, "Rannick"
Your name has been on my list from the other members of this group that were questioned as a person in charge. If you are found in charge of this group, you will be subject to the penalty of Practicing Espionage against the Barony as information gathered that the leaders of this group had plans to over throw the Barony, also if in questioning I find that this particular conversation is about the Storm Runners, and I "will be asking", you are now in violation of a direct baronial knights orders which will be a second strike of Practicing Espionage against the Barony on you.
Feel free to look up the penalties for this law in the "Baronial Library."
It is against the law for me to invade someones mind against their will to check on their beliefs or opinions on the laws of Travance or even to see what their favorite color is, the subject of a persons background of legal trouble in Travance can be discussed with the Baron on a case by case basis.
If you wish to persist on this topic of ways to take the baronial laws in to your own hands feel free.
Corvin Ralenfolly
Steve M.
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14 years 9 months ago #55602
by Seiya Harnith (Seiya Harnith)
We stand together my brothers. We live and die by our blood. No mage will ever change that.
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Replied by Seiya Harnith (Seiya Harnith) on topic Legal Questions
Let it be known that I have no authority in the subject matter at hand, but as an observationist and someone who has had to have played to fill the role of notifying less than active ex-members of the organization that shall not be named under the order of Sir McDermitt that even mentioning the organization by noble decree is treasonous; and that anyone who mentions the organization will be arrested; I think you haven't had the chance to be sat down and tell things how they were made to be in person.
I'd like to interject if possible as an interested party in this matter. You insulting the nobles and putting the stamp of a taboo organization on a new "mercenary company" has more than likely doomed you to failure already. Now is not a good time or a tactful place to be trying to raise something from the ashes with all of the problems that have hit the town in regards to this debacle including the monastary incident with Jarric. I am a friend of Wulfgar's and I use the word friend as he is already in a good deal of trouble for matters he hasn't even been in the town for. You are making the situation worse not only for him, but anyone affiliated with the previous organization. You are putting good people in jeopardy by pushing hard on an issue and doing it in such a distasteful and rude manner. Good people were put in jeopardy because of the mistakes of one person who made a very stupid mistake. Now in addition to that, the clergy find themselves in a hard pressed position for trying to protect Jarric. Everyone is mad about the topic and the event hasn't even remotely started to pass. I postively implore you to quit while you're behind; this is going downhill very quickly and simply from what you said, about trying to "reform the storm runners"; anyone involved with you may be subject to even harsher consequences this time; I speak for myself and several other people who have had their reputation damaged by being involved with the organization; You need to stop making things worse.
I'd like to interject if possible as an interested party in this matter. You insulting the nobles and putting the stamp of a taboo organization on a new "mercenary company" has more than likely doomed you to failure already. Now is not a good time or a tactful place to be trying to raise something from the ashes with all of the problems that have hit the town in regards to this debacle including the monastary incident with Jarric. I am a friend of Wulfgar's and I use the word friend as he is already in a good deal of trouble for matters he hasn't even been in the town for. You are making the situation worse not only for him, but anyone affiliated with the previous organization. You are putting good people in jeopardy by pushing hard on an issue and doing it in such a distasteful and rude manner. Good people were put in jeopardy because of the mistakes of one person who made a very stupid mistake. Now in addition to that, the clergy find themselves in a hard pressed position for trying to protect Jarric. Everyone is mad about the topic and the event hasn't even remotely started to pass. I postively implore you to quit while you're behind; this is going downhill very quickly and simply from what you said, about trying to "reform the storm runners"; anyone involved with you may be subject to even harsher consequences this time; I speak for myself and several other people who have had their reputation damaged by being involved with the organization; You need to stop making things worse.
We stand together my brothers. We live and die by our blood. No mage will ever change that.
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14 years 9 months ago - 14 years 9 months ago #55603
by Chris G. (Cross)
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Replied by Chris G. (Cross) on topic Legal Questions
To Rannick,
You do not know me, at least I do not think you do as this is the first time I have heard your name brought up around Travance Proper. I merely have a question for you concerning your foray into the creation of a Guild for Mercenaries.
It has come to my attention that Travance Proper has at it's access and availability a Royal Guard to serve the land and it's people... it also would appear that the lands of Dreaga'mire, Aliesandria, Kaladonia and Pendarvin are also in command of Town Guards to aid in the protection of their individual courts. What is the purpose of a Guild who wishes to take on odd-jobs that include but are not limited too Goblins, Gnolls and caves full of Monsters?
Please don't misunderstand my question, but as far as I am to understand those Goblins, Gnolls and Monsters that do not invade, threaten or injure the subjects of the Barony pose no issue... and the Goblins, Gnolls and Monsters that do invade, threaten or injure the subjects of the Barony then become issue for the Royal Guard of Travance.
It would appear that the term "too many cooks in the kitchen" may be appropriate. I do not see why those who you command, and yourself for that case could not work to become upstanding members of the Royal Guard and defer any issues in command to the chain of command that works within the ranks of the Royal Guard. I have been told Captain Magnus Zero Von Ritter is an exceptional leader and that the Royal Guard is more active and supportive of the subjects of Travance now than ever.
So, to close my question I would like to simply ask if there is such a need for a Guild when the Royal Guard exists for this very reason. From the brigand who harasses travelers to the Arch Devils that menace us from the shadows, it would appear to me that all threats to the safety of Travance and it's subjects are within the power afforded to the Royal Guard by His Excellency, Baron Montgomery.
Thank you all for your time,
Lucas Brand
To the nameless writer above my post... may I ask what noble has been insulted in this endeavor?
You do not know me, at least I do not think you do as this is the first time I have heard your name brought up around Travance Proper. I merely have a question for you concerning your foray into the creation of a Guild for Mercenaries.
It has come to my attention that Travance Proper has at it's access and availability a Royal Guard to serve the land and it's people... it also would appear that the lands of Dreaga'mire, Aliesandria, Kaladonia and Pendarvin are also in command of Town Guards to aid in the protection of their individual courts. What is the purpose of a Guild who wishes to take on odd-jobs that include but are not limited too Goblins, Gnolls and caves full of Monsters?
Please don't misunderstand my question, but as far as I am to understand those Goblins, Gnolls and Monsters that do not invade, threaten or injure the subjects of the Barony pose no issue... and the Goblins, Gnolls and Monsters that do invade, threaten or injure the subjects of the Barony then become issue for the Royal Guard of Travance.
It would appear that the term "too many cooks in the kitchen" may be appropriate. I do not see why those who you command, and yourself for that case could not work to become upstanding members of the Royal Guard and defer any issues in command to the chain of command that works within the ranks of the Royal Guard. I have been told Captain Magnus Zero Von Ritter is an exceptional leader and that the Royal Guard is more active and supportive of the subjects of Travance now than ever.
So, to close my question I would like to simply ask if there is such a need for a Guild when the Royal Guard exists for this very reason. From the brigand who harasses travelers to the Arch Devils that menace us from the shadows, it would appear to me that all threats to the safety of Travance and it's subjects are within the power afforded to the Royal Guard by His Excellency, Baron Montgomery.
Thank you all for your time,
Lucas Brand
To the nameless writer above my post... may I ask what noble has been insulted in this endeavor?
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14 years 9 months ago #55605
by Rannick (Rannick)
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Those who draw a line between the soldier and the scholar will have their thinking done by cowards and their fighting done by fools.
Replied by Rannick (Rannick) on topic Legal Questions
Wou Tou Shen,
It can be really hard to interpret the laws correctly when what's in the Baronial Library says one thing and government officials say another. If Coriwn Ralenfolly here is correct, then please update this document to reflect what he has said.
Right now, all it says is what I quoted earlier on this board: "The Guildmaster is a position that a noble can sanctify within his realm. By doing so the Noble gives the Guildmaster deference in matters of justice within the walls of the guild. In other words, by making the Guildmaster an official, the noble has relinquished his authority within the physical bounds of the guild. Thus allowing the Guildmaster to punish his member as he sees fit within the physical confines of the Guild. There may be unofficial Guildmasters within the lands of a noble but they are subject to the laws of the land as any commoner would be, and could be tried for any action they take on guild members."
As you can see, it makes NO MENTION of the Mage's Guild, or any other specific guild, for that matter. I'm not trying to interpret anything incorrectly. I'm just confused because I've got two conflicting sources of information - both of which OUGHT to be completely trustworthy - and ALL I want is clarification. It really doesn't matter to me which one turns out to be correct - I just want to know which one IS correct so that I can follow it and not get in trouble.
You're right - it IS up to me to make sure I know how this type of endeavor goes. I made the mistake of trying to just gather people under me without any sort of official process last time, and because of that I ended up with a member who chose to be baptized to a dark god. I recognize my error for what it is, and I wish I had gone through all the proper channels in the first place. If I had, I might have had a chance to punish the little idiot myself before handing him over to the authorities, and make him into an example of what happens when you bring dishonor to the Company.
Please, understand - that's all I'm looking to do. I want to get it done legally, the right way, so I can get back to training a force capable of defending Travance and furthering the Baron's interests like no other. It was in fact my intention to reform my old group, but I wasn't going to do anything of the kind until and unless the order to disband has been rescinded, and my new charter has been reviewed and approved by the Baron - or whoever it is I need approval from.
I have a draft of the new charter completed. I would be much obliged if you could take a moment to review it and make your suggestions.
It can be really hard to interpret the laws correctly when what's in the Baronial Library says one thing and government officials say another. If Coriwn Ralenfolly here is correct, then please update this document to reflect what he has said.
Right now, all it says is what I quoted earlier on this board: "The Guildmaster is a position that a noble can sanctify within his realm. By doing so the Noble gives the Guildmaster deference in matters of justice within the walls of the guild. In other words, by making the Guildmaster an official, the noble has relinquished his authority within the physical bounds of the guild. Thus allowing the Guildmaster to punish his member as he sees fit within the physical confines of the Guild. There may be unofficial Guildmasters within the lands of a noble but they are subject to the laws of the land as any commoner would be, and could be tried for any action they take on guild members."
As you can see, it makes NO MENTION of the Mage's Guild, or any other specific guild, for that matter. I'm not trying to interpret anything incorrectly. I'm just confused because I've got two conflicting sources of information - both of which OUGHT to be completely trustworthy - and ALL I want is clarification. It really doesn't matter to me which one turns out to be correct - I just want to know which one IS correct so that I can follow it and not get in trouble.
You're right - it IS up to me to make sure I know how this type of endeavor goes. I made the mistake of trying to just gather people under me without any sort of official process last time, and because of that I ended up with a member who chose to be baptized to a dark god. I recognize my error for what it is, and I wish I had gone through all the proper channels in the first place. If I had, I might have had a chance to punish the little idiot myself before handing him over to the authorities, and make him into an example of what happens when you bring dishonor to the Company.
Please, understand - that's all I'm looking to do. I want to get it done legally, the right way, so I can get back to training a force capable of defending Travance and furthering the Baron's interests like no other. It was in fact my intention to reform my old group, but I wasn't going to do anything of the kind until and unless the order to disband has been rescinded, and my new charter has been reviewed and approved by the Baron - or whoever it is I need approval from.
I have a draft of the new charter completed. I would be much obliged if you could take a moment to review it and make your suggestions.
--R--
--Andy--
Those who draw a line between the soldier and the scholar will have their thinking done by cowards and their fighting done by fools.
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14 years 9 months ago - 14 years 9 months ago #55606
by Rannick (Rannick)
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Those who draw a line between the soldier and the scholar will have their thinking done by cowards and their fighting done by fools.
Replied by Rannick (Rannick) on topic Legal Questions
Corwin Ralenfolly,
Great jumping polar-bears! I was making a joke! I was amused that I've learned to read all of a few months ago, so I'm lucky I was able to recognize your spelling error for what it was. If I hadn't been taught so well, I'd have been really confused. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings and I won't do it again - but you might want to hire someone to edit what you write. It's important for people in authority to be able to communicate well.
Yeah, okay man. I'll come find you and you can ask whatever questions you like. I figured there was going to be something like that. In case you need it, you have my express permission to invade my mind. I haven't ever conspired against Travance. I formed my old company to protect Travance and its interests, and we did pretty well at it. All I'm trying to do now, like I said to Wou Tou Shen, is make a clean restart and do everything legally.
Great jumping polar-bears! I was making a joke! I was amused that I've learned to read all of a few months ago, so I'm lucky I was able to recognize your spelling error for what it was. If I hadn't been taught so well, I'd have been really confused. I'm sorry it hurt your feelings and I won't do it again - but you might want to hire someone to edit what you write. It's important for people in authority to be able to communicate well.
Yeah, okay man. I'll come find you and you can ask whatever questions you like. I figured there was going to be something like that. In case you need it, you have my express permission to invade my mind. I haven't ever conspired against Travance. I formed my old company to protect Travance and its interests, and we did pretty well at it. All I'm trying to do now, like I said to Wou Tou Shen, is make a clean restart and do everything legally.
--R--
--Andy--
Those who draw a line between the soldier and the scholar will have their thinking done by cowards and their fighting done by fools.
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