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12 years 8 months ago #84514
by Piggy Punch (Wyen Nightfrost)
Baht A'tal Damien Mograinne
Champion of Galmachis
OOG Josh LaBar
Replied by Piggy Punch (Wyen Nightfrost) on topic Writers and Informants Needed for a Project
Rowan - I have to say it brings a smile to my face to see someone want to celebrate and sing a merry song about the lives lost, though it pains me to have to live with that memory.
As for the rest of this topic that is so heatedly being discussed, if I may I would like to have my thoughts jotted for those of you who wish to read them.
How can any of us tell each other that what we saw was not bravery in some manner or another, our own citizenry rose against us for the atrocities committed against them though not by our hand but without our memory either. How many of us can honestly sit down and say that we remembered even one of the individuals who brought the fight to us this past moon? My fellow Travancians we must understand that our actions no matter how noble they are will have some unwanted effect on the innocent around us. Yet now there are those among us who will choose to remember Julie and only Julie as the brave one who broke the mind control that befell her. I ask you this, why do we not remember the others as well? Were they not important enough? Did they not want to be remembered, or is it simply we choose not to remember them because they were weak, not strong willed enough to break the control the demon blood had over them? No matter the case I will not forget any of them and what you choose to do is your own decision but remember this, just because someone may have been weak of will and not as strong as a hero, does not mean they don't deserve to be remembered like one.
May the Ancesters guide you
Strength Through Unity
"Rememberance no matter how small is the largest gift to those who have passed"
As for the rest of this topic that is so heatedly being discussed, if I may I would like to have my thoughts jotted for those of you who wish to read them.
How can any of us tell each other that what we saw was not bravery in some manner or another, our own citizenry rose against us for the atrocities committed against them though not by our hand but without our memory either. How many of us can honestly sit down and say that we remembered even one of the individuals who brought the fight to us this past moon? My fellow Travancians we must understand that our actions no matter how noble they are will have some unwanted effect on the innocent around us. Yet now there are those among us who will choose to remember Julie and only Julie as the brave one who broke the mind control that befell her. I ask you this, why do we not remember the others as well? Were they not important enough? Did they not want to be remembered, or is it simply we choose not to remember them because they were weak, not strong willed enough to break the control the demon blood had over them? No matter the case I will not forget any of them and what you choose to do is your own decision but remember this, just because someone may have been weak of will and not as strong as a hero, does not mean they don't deserve to be remembered like one.
May the Ancesters guide you
Strength Through Unity
"Rememberance no matter how small is the largest gift to those who have passed"
Baht A'tal Damien Mograinne
Champion of Galmachis
OOG Josh LaBar
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12 years 8 months ago - 12 years 8 months ago #84532
by Aleister (Aleister)
Lord Admiral Aleister Demirosz, the Phoenix
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-Steve Oros
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Replied by Aleister (Aleister) on topic Writers and Informants Needed for a Project
Wyen and Aselra,
By my current reports, hundreds of innocent lives were lost because of Victor's rampage. Those who wouldn't join him were murdered in cold blood because they didn't believe in his rage. Such bravery to kill men, women and children because they wouldn't follow a madman full of hate and vengeance.
Go ahead and remember that they were distraught by their sundered lives and manipulated by a cruel man and the influence of the Amun'La Xualla. Bravery came from those who realized Victor was a monster and had the courage to turn away, knowing what he could do to them.
Hundreds are dead, more lives ruined. They have now created another tragic event for another Victor to rise up from and recruit more to do the same thing.
But do you remember one of the most important lives lost because of this?
Brother Kendrick. Know that one of the greatest paladins, a champion of the light, is dead. He is dead because of their rage.
I want to know how turning a paladin into a bomb is bravery.
I expect an answer.
By my current reports, hundreds of innocent lives were lost because of Victor's rampage. Those who wouldn't join him were murdered in cold blood because they didn't believe in his rage. Such bravery to kill men, women and children because they wouldn't follow a madman full of hate and vengeance.
Go ahead and remember that they were distraught by their sundered lives and manipulated by a cruel man and the influence of the Amun'La Xualla. Bravery came from those who realized Victor was a monster and had the courage to turn away, knowing what he could do to them.
Hundreds are dead, more lives ruined. They have now created another tragic event for another Victor to rise up from and recruit more to do the same thing.
But do you remember one of the most important lives lost because of this?
Brother Kendrick. Know that one of the greatest paladins, a champion of the light, is dead. He is dead because of their rage.
I want to know how turning a paladin into a bomb is bravery.
I expect an answer.
Lord Admiral Aleister Demirosz, the Phoenix
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-Steve Oros
Assistant Director
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12 years 8 months ago #84535
by Erdrick (Erdrick)
Lord Erdrick Brightstar
Guardian of Belladeen
(Samuel Roberts)
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Aselra,
While it is true bravery is a descriptor left to the observer there is some general requirements for such a label. I will not contest that all of these people were at least once brave. To live on this side of the rift, battle countless atrocities, persist through endless strife and hardship and somehow manage to not go running and screaming back to Kormyre requires nothing short of bravery in itself. I would even agree with you that while these people might have set off with the best intentions in mind and risked it all to fight an enemy they thought was paramount they short of Julie lost their way. When they received the power they so highly coveted and wished for they did not make Arawyn a better place they performed atrocities that rival those of the "villains" they sought to destroy. Such facts were pointed out to the host of them and they simply did not care, they cared more for getting revenge and punishing anyone that they could for the hardships of their lives. Their bravery was a farce and was driven by spite, hatred, revenge, greed and regret. As my wife had stated with the exception of Julie I witnessed no remorse from any of them for what they had become only further devolution into insanity, madness and it wasn't until their last moments did any of the others really make any attempt to do what was right. Even then their effort was marginal and I question their motives since their characters as shown to us seemed to be one of self importance.
I will not speak for Elawyn but I personally tire of the frequency to which this town forgives the horrible actions of a person all for the sake of finding the light inside of them or attempting to find redemption for them. Redemption is something that can be earned, but it must be sought after and earned with great effort and sacrifice, not loosely reached for at the end of their lives.
While it is true bravery is a descriptor left to the observer there is some general requirements for such a label. I will not contest that all of these people were at least once brave. To live on this side of the rift, battle countless atrocities, persist through endless strife and hardship and somehow manage to not go running and screaming back to Kormyre requires nothing short of bravery in itself. I would even agree with you that while these people might have set off with the best intentions in mind and risked it all to fight an enemy they thought was paramount they short of Julie lost their way. When they received the power they so highly coveted and wished for they did not make Arawyn a better place they performed atrocities that rival those of the "villains" they sought to destroy. Such facts were pointed out to the host of them and they simply did not care, they cared more for getting revenge and punishing anyone that they could for the hardships of their lives. Their bravery was a farce and was driven by spite, hatred, revenge, greed and regret. As my wife had stated with the exception of Julie I witnessed no remorse from any of them for what they had become only further devolution into insanity, madness and it wasn't until their last moments did any of the others really make any attempt to do what was right. Even then their effort was marginal and I question their motives since their characters as shown to us seemed to be one of self importance.
I will not speak for Elawyn but I personally tire of the frequency to which this town forgives the horrible actions of a person all for the sake of finding the light inside of them or attempting to find redemption for them. Redemption is something that can be earned, but it must be sought after and earned with great effort and sacrifice, not loosely reached for at the end of their lives.
Lord Erdrick Brightstar
Guardian of Belladeen
(Samuel Roberts)
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12 years 8 months ago #84544
by Piggy Punch (Wyen Nightfrost)
Baht A'tal Damien Mograinne
Champion of Galmachis
OOG Josh LaBar
Replied by Piggy Punch (Wyen Nightfrost) on topic Writers and Informants Needed for a Project
My good Lord Aleister,
I believe your feelings may have clouded you from the true light of my previous message. I am not saying that we remember only the ones who rose against us or that making another soul into a living bomb is an act worth remembrance. Rather my messages intent was simply this, though we fight to protect every citizen hero or not our actions will always bring an unwanted effect. Yes we help reconstruct those lives affected but there is only so much we can replace, but there is something more we can offer, we can offer remembrance.
The loss of any life is at least worth remembrance whether it be Brother Kendrick, Julie, Mina, Maggie, Winifred or even Victor all life is worth remembering and how you choose to do so is up to you. In the end of all of this, I would like to believe that Remembrance is all Victor and the others wanted, they wanted to know that we knew how our actions affected them and that we would remember those lost as much as they did, they just wanted us to share their loss. I do not believe they went about it the right way, for I would have happily prayed to my ancesters everyday to help ease their burden.
Alas this brings me to my final point, though each of these citizens had their own will, I am not convinced that Xualla would leave any of them to break the control his blood had over them.
I would like to extend my apologies to you Lord Aleister and to any other soul that I may have offended for it was not my intent to do so.
May the Ancesters guide you
Strength Through Unity
"Rememberance no matter how small is the largest gift to those who have passed"
I believe your feelings may have clouded you from the true light of my previous message. I am not saying that we remember only the ones who rose against us or that making another soul into a living bomb is an act worth remembrance. Rather my messages intent was simply this, though we fight to protect every citizen hero or not our actions will always bring an unwanted effect. Yes we help reconstruct those lives affected but there is only so much we can replace, but there is something more we can offer, we can offer remembrance.
The loss of any life is at least worth remembrance whether it be Brother Kendrick, Julie, Mina, Maggie, Winifred or even Victor all life is worth remembering and how you choose to do so is up to you. In the end of all of this, I would like to believe that Remembrance is all Victor and the others wanted, they wanted to know that we knew how our actions affected them and that we would remember those lost as much as they did, they just wanted us to share their loss. I do not believe they went about it the right way, for I would have happily prayed to my ancesters everyday to help ease their burden.
Alas this brings me to my final point, though each of these citizens had their own will, I am not convinced that Xualla would leave any of them to break the control his blood had over them.
I would like to extend my apologies to you Lord Aleister and to any other soul that I may have offended for it was not my intent to do so.
May the Ancesters guide you
Strength Through Unity
"Rememberance no matter how small is the largest gift to those who have passed"
Baht A'tal Damien Mograinne
Champion of Galmachis
OOG Josh LaBar
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12 years 8 months ago #84547
by geezer (geezer)
Edwin Haroldson
Loremaster
Master of the Mages' Guild
An ethical person does the right thing when no one is watching.
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My Lord Pendarvin was killed by Orias Wormwood, who had his brain altered by Victor, who lacked the courage or bravery to face either of them in combat, but instead picked an unwilling surrogate to do his murder. There is no bravery in such an act, no honor in such an individual. Actions like those taken by Victor and his craven crew are to be despised, and if remembered, should serve as a lesson to describe the worst sort of actions one could undertake.
Edwin Haroldson
Loremaster
Master of the Mages' Guild
An ethical person does the right thing when no one is watching.
OOG - Charlie Spiegel - Kitchen Marshal
"War is a matter of vital importance to the State..."
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- Edward Walker

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12 years 8 months ago #84549
by Edward Walker (Liam)
Doctor Edward D. Walker
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Liam Neary
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From what I can understand from everything, these people were angry at the nobility and the "heroes" of Travance, and rather than speaking up to the nobility itself or training themselves so they could prevent horrible things from happening in the future, they were offer a magical way out that would give them absolute power with zero effort.
If this is the definition of what it means to be brave, then I have wasted my life.
If this is the definition of what it means to be brave, then I have wasted my life.
Doctor Edward D. Walker
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Liam Neary
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