Stand up for what is right
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12 years 2 months ago #92543
by Zathir (Clevatus)
Zathir Ib'n Hatim Al Nawar
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Replied by Zathir (Clevatus) on topic Stand up for what is right
All you are doing is yelling your own personal view points at each other. None of you will ever change each others minds, not through pieces of parchment attached to a board.
The arguing is pointless and only spreads hate and distrust which start to break apart the relationships we have fought so hard to create.
If you have quarrels take them up with each other face to face like honorable individuals, and do not let these petty differences result in death but in redemption and respect.
In Honor, Respect and Life
-Zathir Al' Nawar
The arguing is pointless and only spreads hate and distrust which start to break apart the relationships we have fought so hard to create.
If you have quarrels take them up with each other face to face like honorable individuals, and do not let these petty differences result in death but in redemption and respect.
In Honor, Respect and Life
-Zathir Al' Nawar
Zathir Ib'n Hatim Al Nawar
-Vassal of Drega'Mire
(OOG-Nathaniel Galloway)
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12 years 2 months ago - 12 years 2 months ago #92544
by Razael Seiryn (Razael Seiryn)
OOG: Daniel Osmun
Replied by Razael Seiryn (Razael Seiryn) on topic Stand up for what is right
I am happy to see hesitant support in the King's Decisions. However, take to light not to discredit an argument simply by whom makes it. Light or Dark is simply a word to describe a moral view. There are several false teachings by the Light Church in general, which even the Light Church has had to deal with. We all know of a finite stereotype of Valosian who for example, burns innocent Wild Mages for the sake of birth. Yet, there are several Wild Mages of renown who are clearly working on the side of the Light within Travance.
The moral of this story is, there is an equal amount of 'Unethical' behavior from the previous Church of Light. I can wholeheartedly say that observing from the side lines that this situation has improved. It is the self-proclaimed representatives of Light such as Billium who cause the Wars and Depraved Acts for those to self-sustain themselves on the other end. The fact that people are unable to look past the sins of either side in the past and establish this as a New Age is the true issue. It is sad that an Agauran is capable of admitting this fact, the antithesis of the traditional thinking yet those who preach Justice, Mercy, and Light are incapable of that fact.
My father was a Valosian Cleric, He was a soldier, and he was a hero. He was forced into a position where he thought that protecting his unit at the expense of corruption was Iustus. He was devoted, He was giving, he was everything a Valosian should be. He met his execution admirably; He chose to die rather than to have his transformation become permanent. He saved ten innocent and loyal Valosians, but that wasn't good enough. Then came the inquisition. They tortured his unit, none of them would buckle. They executed them for collusion with dark forces. They burned our village to the down, and they killed my entire family.
Was this Iustus? Was this Lumin? Was this Claris? It was not. Gods are Gods, Men are Men. We are fragile beings who are suggestible and make mistakes. Behavior like this will not be tolerated on either side. This is not the world we live in anymore.
I challenge every Andorran to look at themselves and say they saved every life possible even at the expense of their own. I challenge every Valosian to say that they stand up and challenged every bad decision made by a noble and refused to act when ordered. I challenge every worshiper of Galadell to say that they walk and act with perfect grace.
No man can accomplish these tasks, the same as Worshiper of Agaura cannot instill suffering at every waking moment of every day; but has the opportunity to pick and choose. No Man in Travance is Innocent. Innocence is a matter of perspective. A soldier from New Galdron defending his homeland is an innocent. A tribal goblin in the wrong place at the wrong time is an innocent. They both immolate equally well, and both can be killed in service of Travance. Remember that next time you hunt down brigands and choose death over prison.
The law will be upheld, and if any of my mass seem to feel otherwise then they had better hope the law catches them before I do. I look forward to negotiations with the representatives of the Church of Light in coming moons to assure that this Armistice is held. I can assure you all that it will have my full cooperation.
Signed and Apologetic for the Oversight,
Razael Seiryn
The moral of this story is, there is an equal amount of 'Unethical' behavior from the previous Church of Light. I can wholeheartedly say that observing from the side lines that this situation has improved. It is the self-proclaimed representatives of Light such as Billium who cause the Wars and Depraved Acts for those to self-sustain themselves on the other end. The fact that people are unable to look past the sins of either side in the past and establish this as a New Age is the true issue. It is sad that an Agauran is capable of admitting this fact, the antithesis of the traditional thinking yet those who preach Justice, Mercy, and Light are incapable of that fact.
My father was a Valosian Cleric, He was a soldier, and he was a hero. He was forced into a position where he thought that protecting his unit at the expense of corruption was Iustus. He was devoted, He was giving, he was everything a Valosian should be. He met his execution admirably; He chose to die rather than to have his transformation become permanent. He saved ten innocent and loyal Valosians, but that wasn't good enough. Then came the inquisition. They tortured his unit, none of them would buckle. They executed them for collusion with dark forces. They burned our village to the down, and they killed my entire family.
Was this Iustus? Was this Lumin? Was this Claris? It was not. Gods are Gods, Men are Men. We are fragile beings who are suggestible and make mistakes. Behavior like this will not be tolerated on either side. This is not the world we live in anymore.
I challenge every Andorran to look at themselves and say they saved every life possible even at the expense of their own. I challenge every Valosian to say that they stand up and challenged every bad decision made by a noble and refused to act when ordered. I challenge every worshiper of Galadell to say that they walk and act with perfect grace.
No man can accomplish these tasks, the same as Worshiper of Agaura cannot instill suffering at every waking moment of every day; but has the opportunity to pick and choose. No Man in Travance is Innocent. Innocence is a matter of perspective. A soldier from New Galdron defending his homeland is an innocent. A tribal goblin in the wrong place at the wrong time is an innocent. They both immolate equally well, and both can be killed in service of Travance. Remember that next time you hunt down brigands and choose death over prison.
The law will be upheld, and if any of my mass seem to feel otherwise then they had better hope the law catches them before I do. I look forward to negotiations with the representatives of the Church of Light in coming moons to assure that this Armistice is held. I can assure you all that it will have my full cooperation.
Signed and Apologetic for the Oversight,
Razael Seiryn
OOG: Daniel Osmun
Last edit: 12 years 2 months ago by Razael Seiryn (Razael Seiryn).
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12 years 2 months ago #92546
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic Stand up for what is right
Ava, thou art more important than thee give thineself credit for. Though jaded by events, thou art still trying, as exemplified by your post, to speak out for what is right.
Thou art correct; the Law does not enforce itself. That falls to the Baroness, her sworn Guardsmen, Knights and the Lords to see to. However we all must be vigilant and not turn a blind eye to crime, as befits our duty to each other and our Kingdom.
Thou art correct; the Law does not enforce itself. That falls to the Baroness, her sworn Guardsmen, Knights and the Lords to see to. However we all must be vigilant and not turn a blind eye to crime, as befits our duty to each other and our Kingdom.
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12 years 2 months ago #92547
by Narcis (ChrisR)
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Replied by Narcis (ChrisR) on topic Stand up for what is right
Brother Aldric,
Please, don't get me wrong, I hope many people break the law. I hope people follow their path. Laws only bind people away. Keeps them from reaching their full potential.
The most fun will be in seeing if their convictions are stronger than the law that seeks to reign them in.
-Ava.
Please, don't get me wrong, I hope many people break the law. I hope people follow their path. Laws only bind people away. Keeps them from reaching their full potential.
The most fun will be in seeing if their convictions are stronger than the law that seeks to reign them in.
-Ava.
OOG:Chris R.
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12 years 2 months ago - 12 years 2 months ago #92548
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic Stand up for what is right
Agauran,
Please send me a scroll with thine proposal. We can leave our discourse for private messages away from the turmoil this public forum generates.
Please send me a scroll with thine proposal. We can leave our discourse for private messages away from the turmoil this public forum generates.
Last edit: 12 years 2 months ago by Templar Aldric (Selrik). Reason: Mispelling 'Agaura'.
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12 years 2 months ago #92552
by Dame Clytie Silverfang (itsgonnabemay)
Replied by Dame Clytie Silverfang (itsgonnabemay) on topic Stand up for what is right
And this is why your morality system confuses and angers me. It confuses and angers everyone.
All of you are at verbal war with each other over personal definitions of your precious "good" and "evil" completely unaware that you have almost as little knowledge over what those truly mean as I do. Still you act like your's is the true way and take this out upon everyone, whether or not they agree or disagree with you. Names are being sullied and hypotheticals delving into the extreme, I believe that if this should continue, violence against each other will be threatened and our own blood may stain the snow.
Well, have fun. If you decide to continue with this argument as it escalates, let me know. If so, I'll look to relocate to a place where I don't have to fear for my life because of the townsfolk. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm rather fond of not dying. Especially at the hands of friends.
All of you are at verbal war with each other over personal definitions of your precious "good" and "evil" completely unaware that you have almost as little knowledge over what those truly mean as I do. Still you act like your's is the true way and take this out upon everyone, whether or not they agree or disagree with you. Names are being sullied and hypotheticals delving into the extreme, I believe that if this should continue, violence against each other will be threatened and our own blood may stain the snow.
Well, have fun. If you decide to continue with this argument as it escalates, let me know. If so, I'll look to relocate to a place where I don't have to fear for my life because of the townsfolk. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I'm rather fond of not dying. Especially at the hands of friends.
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