The current stance of the Light Church of Travance in regards to Dark Clergy
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12 years 2 months ago #92734
by Jack (Keeperofdice)
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Replied by Jack (Keeperofdice) on topic The current stance of the Light Church of Travance in regards to Dark Clergy
I fail to see the tactical advantage of suspending a law that would have no impact on a fight while not suspending a law that would have a decidedly very strong impact in a fight. Perhaps I'm not understanding the full context of what is going on.
What would the point be at saying: "It is fine to worship dark gods. So now you may feel free to fight along side us and defend yourself as you would have anyway regardless of the god you followed."
As opposed to: "Please we are on the brink of total annihilation, use your full potential and the gifts that those on high have graced you with to ensure our continued mutual survival."
So the point we have now reached are three options of what is going on before us.
1. The worship of dark gods and prayers is suspended.
2. The worship of dark gods is suspended. Calling upon dark metaphysical abilities was suspended at the time and now people are filled with the moral strife that the ends did not justify the means. (And many subjects of Travance should be immediately executed.)
3. The worship if dark gods is suspended and utilizing dark metaphysical abilities was never suspended. (And many subjects of Travance should be immediately executed).
While points 2 and 3 may seem similar, they are indeed quite different.
Can someone please clarify this for me so that I may correctly fulfill the will of our King.
What would the point be at saying: "It is fine to worship dark gods. So now you may feel free to fight along side us and defend yourself as you would have anyway regardless of the god you followed."
As opposed to: "Please we are on the brink of total annihilation, use your full potential and the gifts that those on high have graced you with to ensure our continued mutual survival."
So the point we have now reached are three options of what is going on before us.
1. The worship of dark gods and prayers is suspended.
2. The worship of dark gods is suspended. Calling upon dark metaphysical abilities was suspended at the time and now people are filled with the moral strife that the ends did not justify the means. (And many subjects of Travance should be immediately executed.)
3. The worship if dark gods is suspended and utilizing dark metaphysical abilities was never suspended. (And many subjects of Travance should be immediately executed).
While points 2 and 3 may seem similar, they are indeed quite different.
Can someone please clarify this for me so that I may correctly fulfill the will of our King.
Ser Jack Siefer
Knight Of Drega'Mire
Head of Research & Development of Kormyre
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Captain of the K.A.S. Tarrasque
OOG: Gus M.
“Men learn from their failures. I prefer to learn from the failures of others..”
"Sometimes what the world doesn't need is a hero. Sometimes what it needs is a monster."
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12 years 2 months ago #92735
by Lathiel (Lathiel)
Replied by Lathiel (Lathiel) on topic The current stance of the Light Church of Travance in regards to Dark Clergy
To me at least, it sounds like the third option is the current situation because if you go to the laws written down in the Baronial Library, the law forbidding worship has a note under it stating its suspension but there is no similar note under the illegality of the use of prayers and rituals of dark gods and demonic beings, thus denoting no change or suspension of that law. I believe that is the situation as it stands unless anyone has proof otherwise.
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12 years 2 months ago #92736
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
Replied by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby) on topic The current stance of the Light Church of Travance in regards to Dark Clergy
With All Due Respect,
I'd like to simply chime in and state, from a theological perspective, that prayers are an observance of their Gods and by extension are a form of worship, thus placing it under the purview of the recently suspended law.
With humble opinion,
I'd like to simply chime in and state, from a theological perspective, that prayers are an observance of their Gods and by extension are a form of worship, thus placing it under the purview of the recently suspended law.
With humble opinion,
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12 years 2 months ago #92737
by Lathiel (Lathiel)
Replied by Lathiel (Lathiel) on topic The current stance of the Light Church of Travance in regards to Dark Clergy
I think by prayers, the law is pertaining to the use of prayers that have a perceivable effect on another person. Certainly, the words are a type of worship, but any attempt to use a harmful prayer on another person will result in a punishment under the law pertaining to prayers and rituals rather than assault. But I am still marveled at the number of people seeming to defend the right of dark worshipers to roam free without worry.
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12 years 2 months ago #92738
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
Replied by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby) on topic The current stance of the Light Church of Travance in regards to Dark Clergy
Sir,
With all due respect, you seem to have a degree of bias in regard to this issue. Of course harmful effects onto others is still illegal, but what about in cases of self defense and defending the town? I stand for pragmatism and freedom of expression.
With respect and concern,
With all due respect, you seem to have a degree of bias in regard to this issue. Of course harmful effects onto others is still illegal, but what about in cases of self defense and defending the town? I stand for pragmatism and freedom of expression.
With respect and concern,
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12 years 2 months ago - 12 years 2 months ago #92739
by Lathiel (Lathiel)
Replied by Lathiel (Lathiel) on topic The current stance of the Light Church of Travance in regards to Dark Clergy
I don't believe I am biased in this situation. Self defense is a given to most crimes and trust me, if I knew of a case which involved self-defense to be purely accurate, the defender in such a situation would not be subject to the consequences. Self-defense is a situation which is essentially one of the few justifiable reasons to not be convicted
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