The Pirate Accords of 1217

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8 years 6 months ago #148313 by Grashügel (HAZMAT221)
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8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #148315 by Captain Cade Tanwyn (Cade Tanwyn)
Aleister, I tried to get your input in this and you ignored me. I sent you a letter about the issues in your land and you ignored that. I've reached out to your knights and been ignored. I was ignored by your viceroy this past feast. Your land has a sickness in it. And I wanted to help you. But you will continue to lose vassals of you do not give them a reason to stay. I'm broken hearted that I wasn't wanted in Dregamire. And your people have made it crystal clear that I never belonged there in the first place. I'll go where I'm wanted. And if that's not in Travance at all then so be it.

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8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #148318 by Captain Cade Tanwyn (Cade Tanwyn)
Father Ephrem, I will gladly sit and talk with anyone who would like. Whether it be on an official legal sense or whether it just be someone who is curious and has questions.

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8 years 6 months ago #148324 by Mantel (sigma-j)
There are a number of issues pointed out that I would like brought to attention.

First, the matters of Cade Tanwyn and the matters of this proposed free association among people are two entirely separate issues, and should be treated as such.
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To address the former matter:

Cade,

I lament what has gone on here, and truly feel for your steam engine. But perhaps if you had expected His Lordship, Aleister Tartaros, Lord Drega'Mire, to stand with you, you would first ensure to stand with him and explain to him your dream, your proposal. Work it out with the nobles that in fact what you intended to accomplish was indeed carried out as you intended. Within the laws of Travance, operating alongside, bringing the tools of your Craft as seafarers to the disposal of the nobility and the people they protect. As Mr. Sterling puts it, organizations such as the Adventurer's Guild, the Mage's Guild, and yes, even the Guild that became that land to which I am vassaled, all have an official charter at least through the Barony Travance, if not through the County Arkovnia, if not ultimately through the Kingdom Kormyre. You pursued none of these things in advance of this self proclamation, and made the assumption that the powers you aligned yourself with would find themselves parallel to an agreement, a part in scribing which they had none. I hope sincerely that any negotiations to the effect of creating an official charter to the effect of your desires, and the desires of your undersigned, are not entirely dashed, though I will say that my expectations are abyssmal given your conduct.

--Mantel Warrane

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Cade Tanwyn, former Commodore, Captain Albatross of the Night Harrier, and one who would puplicly aspire to the title of King,

To objectively interpret your proposal, as a Commoner, I will first address myself not as anything more than I am. I am no lawyer, no guardsman, no noble. I am merely an individual Subject of Travance engaging with your proposal from a purely hypothetical stance, attempting to help you clarify your Articles and Accords. I feel as though I understand your intent but must point out a number of internal conflicts in your documentation. I have posed some of these conflicts below, in my own interpretation, from the standpoint of a hypothetical prosecutor, attempting to twist the law as harshly against you as possible, so that you may temper your charter, that it may better withstand the fires of public ridicule in the future. I in this section of parchment take no personal stance on the matter.

In regards to your preamble:
[hr]"The laws of Travance will not be broken by my ship the Night Harrier."
Do you intend, then, to extend this quandary to all other vessels loyal to the Pirate Court?
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In regards to Article I, Section 2; Items 1:2, 4:10, et.al. mentions of Noble titles, to quote the Laws of Travance as outlined in the relevant section of her Baronial Library:

  • "None shall claim falsely to be of noble title, nor claim falsely that another is of noble title, nor through ambiguity allow another to believe one to be of noble title who is not.
    Whomever breaks with this law shall be subject to a Standard Punishment"

  • This stands directly at odds with the intent as stated in your preamble.

    [hr]In regards to Piracy, to quote the Laws of Travance as outlined in the relevant section of her Baronial Library:

  • "None shall invade the domain of another uninvited and with malicious intent. 
    Whomever breaks with this law shall be subject to a Minor Punishment"

  • One could interpret your intent as targeting "not the Barony Travance." Thusly, you are targeting powers existing Outlawed to Travance, whether those include her defined Enemies, non-subject, or even her Allies. This involved invading the domain of others uninvited and with malicious intent to steal their property or worse.

    On that note, to quote the Laws of Travance as outlined in the relevant section of her Baronial Library:

  • "None shall steal, damage, or destroy another’s property. This includes the desecration and robbery of graves. 
    Whomever breaks with this law shall be subject to a Minor Punishment in addition to being forced to return anything stolen or pay to repair anything damaged."

  • The act of Piracy explicitly involves breach of the law against stealing property.

    Again, additionally, to quote the Laws of Travance as outlined in the relevant section of her Baronial Library:

  • "None shall bring harm or attempt to bring harm to another, excepting in the virtue of defense.
    Whomever breaks with this law shall be subject to a Standard Punishment"

  • The act of Piracy can be considered to involve breach of the law against offensive harm, as stated above by His Lordship, Aleister Tartaros, Lord Drega'mire. I do not believe this applies to those Outlawed to Travance, regarding the limitations of Protections of the Law outlined in the descriptions of Punishments in the transcript of Travancean Laws in her Baronial Library, but it stands to state.

    [hr]Finally, in regards to your entire proposal, done outside of the authority of this land, I pose this final note. To quote the Laws of Travance as outlined in the relevant section of her Baronial Library:

  • "None shall conspire to break with a law of the Barony.
    Whosoever breaks with this law shall be punished according one tier of punishment below the law that the convicted conspired to break with.
    "

  • Without obtaining the will of a Noble to back your proposal, what you have done may be considered a breach of the law against conspiracy.
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    Cade,

    To address you personally again as myself, and not some fake lawman with far too much time on his hands to be going after such a well-intentioned individual as yourself

    Until you are able to forge a charter properly, please take these items into consideration.

    I genuinely hope that a positive outcome is found regarding your proposal. Travance could use any incentive for those possessing a Craft to use it for her betterment.

    --Mantel Warrane
    Subject of Travance

    **signed without the seals of the Mages' Guild or of Ostcliff.

    P.S. On the matter of Cade's personal loyalties, I make no comment further than as long as the servitude is entered freely, AND IS CONTINUED ONLY WITH FREE, CONTINUOUS, UNALTERED CONSENT, I have no qualms. Sincerely, a slave emancipated from eternity.

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    8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #148326 by Mantel (sigma-j)
    To the Challenged Cade Tanwyn and the Challenger Fortune Demeanor,
    *the rest of the parchment has been torn away furiously*

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