The Pirate Accords of 1217
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8 years 6 months ago #148401
by Mantel (sigma-j)
Mantel Warrane (AWz., QMA; AM, WSS)
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Replied by Mantel (sigma-j) on topic The Pirate Accords of 1217
Peanut gallery,
I can see that [strike]not a single[/strike] VERY few individuals here [strike]is[/strike] are willing to even entertain the idea of objective criticism, so I am washing my hands of the ordeal. If you want help, fine, send me a missive.
On the topic of slavery, might I add--as a Mage, and one who came here to exact a vendetta on necromantic slavery--is no longer capable of interacting directly with a soul in any way. The capacities to do so are lost. You can speak to any Soul Binder about this in more detail. There is no desecration of soul nor flesh practicable by necromancers, and anything to the contrary would be accomplished by means accessory to the use of necromancy. I can think only of the Litany of Doom, practiced by Paladins of Miranda, as a discipline even remotely similar to what is described. And I have personally witnessed lives saved through the use of that particular ability. I would have successfully aided in the salvation of one soul, by none other than the paladin Jed, if her spiritual fortitude was not of such rare weakness.
Edwin,
If you would like to use your expertise as a lawyer, please, by all means, exercise your craft, these "pirates" could certainly use some help with understanding the law if they want to operate within it.
As to your latter comment, I'm not seeing where I used that phrase, if directed at me.
D,
You should look to securing the support of a noble if you wish your honor combat to be legal.
--Mantel
I can see that [strike]not a single[/strike] VERY few individuals here [strike]is[/strike] are willing to even entertain the idea of objective criticism, so I am washing my hands of the ordeal. If you want help, fine, send me a missive.
On the topic of slavery, might I add--as a Mage, and one who came here to exact a vendetta on necromantic slavery--is no longer capable of interacting directly with a soul in any way. The capacities to do so are lost. You can speak to any Soul Binder about this in more detail. There is no desecration of soul nor flesh practicable by necromancers, and anything to the contrary would be accomplished by means accessory to the use of necromancy. I can think only of the Litany of Doom, practiced by Paladins of Miranda, as a discipline even remotely similar to what is described. And I have personally witnessed lives saved through the use of that particular ability. I would have successfully aided in the salvation of one soul, by none other than the paladin Jed, if her spiritual fortitude was not of such rare weakness.
Edwin,
If you would like to use your expertise as a lawyer, please, by all means, exercise your craft, these "pirates" could certainly use some help with understanding the law if they want to operate within it.
As to your latter comment, I'm not seeing where I used that phrase, if directed at me.
D,
You should look to securing the support of a noble if you wish your honor combat to be legal.
--Mantel
Mantel Warrane (AWz., QMA; AM, WSS)
Grand Librarian Emeritus, Darkwood Academy of the Metaphysical Arts
Professor Emeritus of Weave Studies, Darkwood Academy
Warden of the Keep, Allied Territory of Corvancia
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(OOG Jean M, they/them)
"How can I be substantial if I do not cast a shadow? I must have a dark side also if I am to be whole." - C.G. Jung
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8 years 6 months ago #148406
by SlightlySaneBillliamm (SlightlySaneBillliamm)
Replied by SlightlySaneBillliamm (SlightlySaneBillliamm) on topic The Pirate Accords of 1217
I would nay fear the Sea Witch Antoinette, I have part of her soul before she became this feared persona and built such a fearsome reputation. Reminds me I got t'e have a talk with her about doing evil or terrible things with 2 parts of her soul shared with the most honourable and courageous celts I ken. I t'ink I will do what I can for those she has threatened or made unfavorable deals.
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8 years 6 months ago #148414
by Osprey (Osprey)
Replied by Osprey (Osprey) on topic The Pirate Accords of 1217
To those of you claiming that we ought to have used the word "privateer" instead of "pirate," there is a distinction that I would consider of pivotal importance:
A privateer is under contract to a specific lord, and takes only the prizes his lord allows. A privateer is also protected by their lord, but has no power to depose the lord and therefore a limited capacity to advocate for themselves.
A pirate is under no contract, beholden to no specific lord, and may take jobs as they see fit, under the Accords a pirate would vote for their own Pirate King, and that leader would be obligated to protect, police, and advocate for the court of pirates as long as they abide by the Accords. What separates a privateer from a pirate is a commission, and lacking that, it seems disingenuous and entirely political to refer to free sailors as privateers. Since we have evidently been relieved of our position with Drega'mire, yet retain our ship, our skills, and our camaraderie, it would seem that we are now pirates by anyone's reckoning, as we have no commission or contract.
You are correct in saying that what we propose is not unlike a guild, but I am not a buccaneer or a swashbuckler, nor am I a Coast Havener, Many of the self-defined pirates in Travance have a variety of professions but have found their fates leading them to the sea, and therefore a guild defined by profession is not ideal for our purposes.
A privateer is under contract to a specific lord, and takes only the prizes his lord allows. A privateer is also protected by their lord, but has no power to depose the lord and therefore a limited capacity to advocate for themselves.
A pirate is under no contract, beholden to no specific lord, and may take jobs as they see fit, under the Accords a pirate would vote for their own Pirate King, and that leader would be obligated to protect, police, and advocate for the court of pirates as long as they abide by the Accords. What separates a privateer from a pirate is a commission, and lacking that, it seems disingenuous and entirely political to refer to free sailors as privateers. Since we have evidently been relieved of our position with Drega'mire, yet retain our ship, our skills, and our camaraderie, it would seem that we are now pirates by anyone's reckoning, as we have no commission or contract.
You are correct in saying that what we propose is not unlike a guild, but I am not a buccaneer or a swashbuckler, nor am I a Coast Havener, Many of the self-defined pirates in Travance have a variety of professions but have found their fates leading them to the sea, and therefore a guild defined by profession is not ideal for our purposes.
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8 years 6 months ago #148415
by Ib (Gannon)
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Replied by Ib (Gannon) on topic The Pirate Accords of 1217
How about sea-faring mercenary?
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8 years 6 months ago #148417
by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell)
Replied by Lois Heimdell (LoisMaxwell) on topic The Pirate Accords of 1217
To those who have written/signed these accords:
How do you define "pirate"? Because right now, it reads as if all you're referring to is a sailor who works on short-term contract, or for themselves.
How do you define "pirate"? Because right now, it reads as if all you're referring to is a sailor who works on short-term contract, or for themselves.
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8 years 6 months ago - 8 years 6 months ago #148419
by Caelvan (Caelvan)
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Replied by Caelvan (Caelvan) on topic The Pirate Accords of 1217
**Not Caelvan**
I tend to agree with Aldric, and Ib. I believe the over all issue(excluding the personal issues) is the naming.
"Pirate" has a very negative connotation as Aldric has pointed out. People will read or hear it and probably not have the best thoughts.
As well as "King" makes it seem as if you are trying to be a noble, which would be against the law (even though, yes you're not impersonating a noble and hold no power outside this group), perhaps Ib's suggestion for the group and Head Captain for the leader?
So you can still be "King" of a group of "Pirates". But be known as Head Captain of a group of Sea-faring Mercenaries.
Just some of my suggestions coming from a person who, outside of the sands, can be thought of the wrong way if I introduce myself poorly.
-Merikh Tazam
I tend to agree with Aldric, and Ib. I believe the over all issue(excluding the personal issues) is the naming.
"Pirate" has a very negative connotation as Aldric has pointed out. People will read or hear it and probably not have the best thoughts.
As well as "King" makes it seem as if you are trying to be a noble, which would be against the law (even though, yes you're not impersonating a noble and hold no power outside this group), perhaps Ib's suggestion for the group and Head Captain for the leader?
So you can still be "King" of a group of "Pirates". But be known as Head Captain of a group of Sea-faring Mercenaries.
Just some of my suggestions coming from a person who, outside of the sands, can be thought of the wrong way if I introduce myself poorly.
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