Removal of Piety and Related Rules Changes

Alex, go take another look at the wording of Wield Faith. It describes who it can affect, specifically "undead or extra-planar creatures of the opposing alignment of her deity" and then it goes further to say "An opponent that is not specifically susceptible to Wield Faith is unaffected by this skill." I think those statements should cover your question.

Charlie, you may want to note that no where does it categorize which creatures are affected by which kind of wield faith. It is per the individual creature's stats. The phrase "greater beings" is simply intended to show that a creature that requires Greater Wield faith to be affected has more divine resistance to such an attempt to drive it back.

To your second comment: yes, it has been added to your higher list.

My two cents is simply that I feel piety has always had some kind of use, particularly for clerics.  While I understand its minimal usage overall, it was more or less the only reason for a player to pick up the cleric list instead of the priest list if they already had a combat class, or even Cleric AND Priest together.

False.

You need Cleric to pick up Templar. Simply having Priest+Warrior no longer qualifies you for it.

My two cents is simply that I feel piety has always had some kind of use, particularly for clerics.  While I understand its minimal usage overall, it was more or less the only reason for a player to pick up the cleric list instead of the priest list if they already had a combat class, or even Cleric AND Priest together.

False.

You need Cleric to pick up Templar. Simply having Priest+Warrior no longer qualifies you for it.

Also, lists aren't really designed with the idea of multiclassing in mind. Saying that it's useless to take Cleric instead of Priest if you're already a combat class is like saying it's useless to take Berserker if you are already a Chaos Warrior. While this may be true, since Berserker and Chaos Warrior share a bunch of skills, it's really a moot point, because lists aren't really designed with multiclassing in mind. That's how I see it anyway.

I have concerns with Wield Faith and Malediction not have a number associated with them now. I think their needs to be a distinction in being able to turn a lesser skeleton vs. being able to turn a regular skeleton and a difference needed to be able to strip a 5th level priest of his powers with malediction and a 20th level cleric. However I see the problem if you use level to drive this because I could be a 20th level warrior pick up priest and wield faith better than the 10th level priest even though he has more "faith skills". Since using level is not a viable solution I think Wield Faith and Malediction must be made into Tag skills that can be defended against with whatever defenses you deem defends you against the greater versions.

I guess they didn't want people weilding faith at the door to people any more.

But seriously. I think this works.

If you see a skeleton, and it grunts. Weild Faith. If you see another skeleton, and it asks for your souls, Greater Weild Faith.

I would like to see the Ceremony of Greater Wield Faith.  Hell, I'd like to know whenit will be taught.

I know what you are going to say, Roy.