Any other WoW mages

LOL, no one promised that Mages would be "tops in DPS", ever.  They have tons of utility (a raid buff, two forms of CC, tons of AoEs to choose from, and once again their famous "oh shit" cards), just that they would be competitive.  Are you looking for a "swiss army knife" class, one that is the best at everything?  None of the mages I know, or have spoken to, have serious issues with the class, only minor gripes or tweaks they would like to see.

Way to look at a page with a ton of raid info and only look at the ones that suit your argument. Looking across the content by tier you can see how mages start off dominant in t4, and drop off after that.  The issue is not the CLASS it's the scalability, and mages don't scale poorly, just rogues and warriors scale incredibly well.

When your Warlock pulls aggro, what does he do?  He dies.  A quick mage can Ice Block or Blink to buy a few more seconds for the tank to reestablish control.

If you want to say Warlocks are overpowered, then Yes, I agree with you, but to say Mages are underpowered is ignorance or foolishness. If any classes have room to complain it would be Shammys and Pallys, as tehy have builds that are supposed to be DPS viable, but obviously are not, at least at the levels of gear that a typical player will see.

My argument has been that mages are fine as they are, not needing any major changes,and certainly not gimped.

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You barely even addressed any of my agruements, so I can see that continuing this discussion would be pretty pointless. 

You think what you will and the entire mage community will continue to think what they will. 

Also, I never said they had serious issues, if I did I wouldn't have made another one when I went Horde side, either mage's need a small tweak in the positive or warlocks need one in the negative.



-Jon

wtb talents that arent a rehash of other players skills, btw.


And John is right. I hit 1672 dps tonight on solarion, and finished first, but this is mostly because there's a lot of AOE, and I'm stacked for t5 encounters. Once you get into BT/Hyjal/SWP, melee scaling DESTROYs caster scaling aside from the occasional warlock.

Mages deserve at least warlock par, if not rogue level dps, because again, we cannot chose to do anything but DPS. We can't spec for utility [warlocks with maledicted curses, eleshammys with totem buffs], we can't tank, and certainly can't heal. So when all you have is DPS, it tends to be semi-important.

One mage went on the world's first KJ kill. You know why? The reason given was "Anything a mage can do, a warlock can do better."

It's the fact that we're being phased out of raids to the point that we're not worth taking. And THAT is why mage dps issues need to be addressed

All mages, please take this road



reroll nubz

-andy

<- plans on rerolling gnome DK for the ex-pack

I used to play WoW back in beta and upto the first expansion, then i stopped cause I don't have the time to play online games anymore.

However, the problem lies in the fundamental explanation of what the class was meant to be.  It was supposed to be a "glass canon" as has been mentioned before.  And Warlocks were definitely screwed royally for quite awhile there.  However, while yes mages have some very nice utility options, it was a giant let down that the mage's dps was so much lower than anticipated based on the stated purpose of them by the game makers themselves.  There was a lot of anticipation that they would hover close to rogues, but that never happened. 

I'm by no means saying mages are bad, they arent.  My main was a mage and had I the time to play again, i'd play a mage again in a heartbeat. But the fact remains, they are not what Blizzard led people to believe they would be back in beta and at launch.