Confessions
- Cecilia Mercier

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11 years 5 months ago - 11 years 5 months ago #107091
by Cecilia Mercier (jsin)
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Replied by Cecilia Mercier (jsin) on topic Confessions
I am quite curious now, since I am still fairly new to Travance and have yet to see a legal matter unfold. At fear of sounding rude I must ask, is it common for claims of committed crimes to be ignored and belittled instead of properly investigated? Or is it situation and individual specific? I apologize if my wording seems rude or at all inflammatory. I seem to be failing at finding a different way to word it that doesn't cloud my meaning.
It seems to me that if there is some misunderstanding about whether or not a mental state that Mr. Lebastion did not ask for was or was not attempted to be forced upon him in anyway -- whether spell or prayer -- then a simple investigation would clear it right up.
Also, I don't think one should be accused of not understanding a law and then not have it explained to them. If the law quoted above is not applicable to the situation, then could one fully explain it? If not for Mr. Lebastion's sake then perhaps mine, so I refrain from further misinterpreting in the future.
Sincerly,
Cecilia Mercier
Vassal of Ostcliff
It seems to me that if there is some misunderstanding about whether or not a mental state that Mr. Lebastion did not ask for was or was not attempted to be forced upon him in anyway -- whether spell or prayer -- then a simple investigation would clear it right up.
Also, I don't think one should be accused of not understanding a law and then not have it explained to them. If the law quoted above is not applicable to the situation, then could one fully explain it? If not for Mr. Lebastion's sake then perhaps mine, so I refrain from further misinterpreting in the future.
Sincerly,
Cecilia Mercier
Vassal of Ostcliff
OOG: Tytiana B (Haze Browne)
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11 years 5 months ago #107092
by Matt D (MattD)
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Replied by Matt D (MattD) on topic Confessions
Not all legal matters are brought to the public's eye. Most are investigated privately to protect all involved.
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11 years 5 months ago #107099
by Simon (BigZ)
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Replied by Simon (BigZ) on topic Confessions
To clear things up, Cecilia, I believe there are three different threads here. I'd like to emphasize that this is speculation and my interpretation of events.
The one is about confessions.
The second is about an inflammatory missive Verrill has sent Angelianna.
The third is about some private incident between Angelianna and Verrill this past moon.
The law that Verrill has quoted is in pertaining to the third thread, the private incident. My assumption, and I can be corrected if I'm wrong, is that Angelianna used some divine power to calm or otherwise pacify Verrill.
Verrill did not wish to be calmed, pacified, or otherwise have his emotional state altered and is publicly threatening to press charges against Angelianna.
Avaiiden believes that Verrill is quoting that law in response to the first thread, confessions. As that law has no bearing on consensual confessions, Avaiiden has stated that Verrill misunderstands the law. If Verrill was indeed citing the law for the first thread, Avaiiden would be correct in her statement.
I will disagree with you on having the law explained, as that would be the job of somebody who is sworn to uphold the law, or somebody who makes the laws, or somebody who judges the laws.
By the lettering of the law, forcefully calming somebody against their will would be a crime as it is altering an emotional state.
However a gray area exists in determining a person's true agency between normal emotional levels, anger induced agency, etc. For example, a raging berserker might not want to be forcefully calmed while he is taken by rage, but when not raging the berserker expresses that he or she wants to be forcefully calmed when raging. It is the same person, yet there exist two different agencies. This is an extreme example, but best illustrates how emotions are a blight when determining a person's wants and desires, especially in cases of the law.
The one is about confessions.
The second is about an inflammatory missive Verrill has sent Angelianna.
The third is about some private incident between Angelianna and Verrill this past moon.
The law that Verrill has quoted is in pertaining to the third thread, the private incident. My assumption, and I can be corrected if I'm wrong, is that Angelianna used some divine power to calm or otherwise pacify Verrill.
Verrill did not wish to be calmed, pacified, or otherwise have his emotional state altered and is publicly threatening to press charges against Angelianna.
Avaiiden believes that Verrill is quoting that law in response to the first thread, confessions. As that law has no bearing on consensual confessions, Avaiiden has stated that Verrill misunderstands the law. If Verrill was indeed citing the law for the first thread, Avaiiden would be correct in her statement.
I will disagree with you on having the law explained, as that would be the job of somebody who is sworn to uphold the law, or somebody who makes the laws, or somebody who judges the laws.
By the lettering of the law, forcefully calming somebody against their will would be a crime as it is altering an emotional state.
However a gray area exists in determining a person's true agency between normal emotional levels, anger induced agency, etc. For example, a raging berserker might not want to be forcefully calmed while he is taken by rage, but when not raging the berserker expresses that he or she wants to be forcefully calmed when raging. It is the same person, yet there exist two different agencies. This is an extreme example, but best illustrates how emotions are a blight when determining a person's wants and desires, especially in cases of the law.
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- Pluvious

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11 years 5 months ago #107104
by Pluvious (Pluvious)
Replied by Pluvious (Pluvious) on topic Confessions
Dearest Angeliana
Verill’s mind is an incredible one, he seeks knowledge in its purest and finest form, and he has a way of thinking that most will never truly understand. But should someone honor him with but a moment they will find that he seeks a different enlightenment then that of the faithful. I respect that Verill seeks knowledge, but I fear most don’t see his views in life. I wish others had your temperance and outlook on the world we love dearest Angeliana.
Dear Verill
Angeliana is very dear to us, and her Faith and compassion are stronger then the greatest oak, and her faith is the roots that help her grow in life. But unlike the Great Oak Verill , her branches is the compassion and love that she uses to covers and protects us. Faith is a wonderful thing Verill, you might want to view it as a Grand Grimoire that people find the answers they been seeking in life.
Angeliana, Verill I consider you both my friends, and so I Sir Pluvious Humbly ask for you to meet with me at the inn on Saturday one past noon. Let us sit, eat and be merry. I will be waiting for you both, and I will make arrangements for our meals to be taken care of.
Know that even thou I am a Noble my heart will always belong to the people that I serve and protect, people like yourselves.
Come meet with me, and let me enjoy your good company
Verill’s mind is an incredible one, he seeks knowledge in its purest and finest form, and he has a way of thinking that most will never truly understand. But should someone honor him with but a moment they will find that he seeks a different enlightenment then that of the faithful. I respect that Verill seeks knowledge, but I fear most don’t see his views in life. I wish others had your temperance and outlook on the world we love dearest Angeliana.
Dear Verill
Angeliana is very dear to us, and her Faith and compassion are stronger then the greatest oak, and her faith is the roots that help her grow in life. But unlike the Great Oak Verill , her branches is the compassion and love that she uses to covers and protects us. Faith is a wonderful thing Verill, you might want to view it as a Grand Grimoire that people find the answers they been seeking in life.
Angeliana, Verill I consider you both my friends, and so I Sir Pluvious Humbly ask for you to meet with me at the inn on Saturday one past noon. Let us sit, eat and be merry. I will be waiting for you both, and I will make arrangements for our meals to be taken care of.
Know that even thou I am a Noble my heart will always belong to the people that I serve and protect, people like yourselves.
Come meet with me, and let me enjoy your good company
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- Alexander Silvers

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11 years 5 months ago #107105
by Alexander Silvers (Silversupremacy)
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Replied by Alexander Silvers (Silversupremacy) on topic Confessions
ok lets say for example that person A, lets call him Jim, is a heathen and considers the members of the church to be a bunch of crazy cultists and does not really regret being a heathen or heathen beliefs, but wants to be forgiven by the church for being one would Jim qualify for a confession.
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11 years 5 months ago #107108
by Sergei Petsho (Bran MacInnes)
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Replied by Sergei Petsho (Bran MacInnes) on topic Confessions
As a churchly man, I would tell Jim that tis not a sin to be ungodly. To follow those of the dark would be something forgivable in the eyes of the church, should Jim wish to repent and follow the light instead. But were Jim to merely be a man of no gods, far as I'm concerned it is no sin. And thus, there's naught in need of forgiving. As to him believing we're a bunch of crazy cultists, were he to say such things in the presence of someone churchly, there might be cause for offense taken. But if we were to be willing to be changing his mind on that score, or at least hear a churchly man out, such an offense could be easily forgiven.
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