Regarding My Recent Execution
17 Aug 2015 22:13 - 07 Sep 2015 21:40 #1
by Ketryn Shiverthorn (Ketryn)
Huntress Ketryn Shiverthorn
Private of the Baronial Guard
OOG- Kat B.
Regarding My Recent Execution was created by Ketryn Shiverthorn (Ketryn)
[oog: written in a neatly flowing brush script on a rather grubby, blood-smeared piece of parchment that bears with it a stale odor and a few smudged fingerprints]
Let it be known that although I am an admitted criminal I have now paid the price with my head at the hand of Lord Gideon Weaveforger as deemed just and fair by the Count himself. I have been stripped of my weapons and the colours of my land and deprived of my freedom of travel until such time as my Lord deems their return earned and appropriate. I will do everything in my power to rebuild trust with the citizens of Travance but I do not expect forgiveness.
I ask you all to consider that, because I have already paid for my crimes and Justice has already been carried out, any further attempts on my life or attempts to hold or question me against my will would themselves be considered crimes under our laws.
If you still feel personally aggrieved in regard to my actions I suggest you speak to Lord or Lady Blackthorne.
Let it be known that although I am an admitted criminal I have now paid the price with my head at the hand of Lord Gideon Weaveforger as deemed just and fair by the Count himself. I have been stripped of my weapons and the colours of my land and deprived of my freedom of travel until such time as my Lord deems their return earned and appropriate. I will do everything in my power to rebuild trust with the citizens of Travance but I do not expect forgiveness.
I ask you all to consider that, because I have already paid for my crimes and Justice has already been carried out, any further attempts on my life or attempts to hold or question me against my will would themselves be considered crimes under our laws.
If you still feel personally aggrieved in regard to my actions I suggest you speak to Lord or Lady Blackthorne.
Huntress Ketryn Shiverthorn
Private of the Baronial Guard
OOG- Kat B.
18 Aug 2015 09:08 #4
by GJSchaller (GJSchaller)
Replied by GJSchaller (GJSchaller) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Kaladonia stands beside Alisandria in this regard. Should any crime befall Ketryn, I will personally attend to those who perpetrated it, alongside Lord & Lady Blackthorne.
Travance often fights against injustice and extremism. Let us not perpetrate it ourselves.
By my hand,
Travance often fights against injustice and extremism. Let us not perpetrate it ourselves.
By my hand,
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Lord Gideon Weaveforger of Kaladonia Steward of Elvalion OOG: Geoffrey Schaller |
18 Aug 2015 17:12 - 18 Aug 2015 17:12 #8
by Swyft (agentswift)
Dame Swyft T. Glitterfang-Johnson-Ludwig
-Knight of Corvancia
- Carnifex of Aguara
- Designer of Stonefall Couture: "Because you're never too bad to look good!"
(OOG: Renée Day)
Replied by Swyft (agentswift) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Ketryn,
As I said before, that Darkness was not your own. So, you're already way ahead of the game! I promise you, learning to trust yourself and life again is not an easy journey, but an amazing adventure filled with discoveries about yourself and the world around you. And should you ever want a hand... or an ear... I won't ever turn you away.
Please do believe this is possible. It is! But you never really notice how heavy the cloak of despair is until you take it off.
As I said before, that Darkness was not your own. So, you're already way ahead of the game! I promise you, learning to trust yourself and life again is not an easy journey, but an amazing adventure filled with discoveries about yourself and the world around you. And should you ever want a hand... or an ear... I won't ever turn you away.
Please do believe this is possible. It is! But you never really notice how heavy the cloak of despair is until you take it off.
Dame Swyft T. Glitterfang-Johnson-Ludwig
-Knight of Corvancia
- Carnifex of Aguara
- Designer of Stonefall Couture: "Because you're never too bad to look good!"
(OOG: Renée Day)
05 Sep 2015 22:21 #10
by GJSchaller (GJSchaller)
Replied by GJSchaller (GJSchaller) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
The difference is, whether you feel remorse for your actions after the fact, and will take steps to not do it again. Ketryn has stated clearly and in public "I will do everything in my power to rebuild trust with the citizens of Travance but I do not expect forgiveness."
Orophin did no such thing. In fact, he actively set out to break the laws again.
I hope that is clear enough for you.
Orophin did no such thing. In fact, he actively set out to break the laws again.
I hope that is clear enough for you.
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Lord Gideon Weaveforger of Kaladonia Steward of Elvalion OOG: Geoffrey Schaller |
05 Sep 2015 22:50 #12
by GJSchaller (GJSchaller)
Replied by GJSchaller (GJSchaller) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
I have reason to believe otherwise. If you feel I am in error, you are welcome to come speak to me, and I will ensure Lord Tartaros is there to represent you.
I will either stand true, or stand corrected. Right now, it's your word against the evidence that says otherwise. I offer you the chance to prove me wrong.
I will either stand true, or stand corrected. Right now, it's your word against the evidence that says otherwise. I offer you the chance to prove me wrong.
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Lord Gideon Weaveforger of Kaladonia Steward of Elvalion OOG: Geoffrey Schaller |
05 Sep 2015 23:13 - 05 Sep 2015 23:14 #14
by Jack (Keeperofdice)
Ser Jack Siefer
Knight Of Drega'Mire
Head of Research & Development of Kormyre
Sky Marshal
Captain of the K.A.S. Tarrasque
OOG: Gus M.
“Men learn from their failures. I prefer to learn from the failures of others..”
"Sometimes what the world doesn't need is a hero. Sometimes what it needs is a monster."
Replied by Jack (Keeperofdice) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Lord Weaveforger,
As Orophin is a vassal of Ostcliff the Count has granted me the authority to bring Orophin before him and discuss what had transpired. Orophin has been compliant and willing to come forward and answer for these transgressions but the proper time has not presented itself. However, I have spoken with the Count and this should be rectified soon. If you would like to speak to me in private about this, I would be happy to discuss with you.
As a general notice to all: until such time that I deliver Orophin to the Count he is under my protection and any attacks upon him, will be treated as an attack against myself.
As Orophin is a vassal of Ostcliff the Count has granted me the authority to bring Orophin before him and discuss what had transpired. Orophin has been compliant and willing to come forward and answer for these transgressions but the proper time has not presented itself. However, I have spoken with the Count and this should be rectified soon. If you would like to speak to me in private about this, I would be happy to discuss with you.
As a general notice to all: until such time that I deliver Orophin to the Count he is under my protection and any attacks upon him, will be treated as an attack against myself.
Ser Jack Siefer
Knight Of Drega'Mire
Head of Research & Development of Kormyre
Sky Marshal
Captain of the K.A.S. Tarrasque
OOG: Gus M.
“Men learn from their failures. I prefer to learn from the failures of others..”
"Sometimes what the world doesn't need is a hero. Sometimes what it needs is a monster."
05 Sep 2015 23:26 #15
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
Magistrate of Travance
R. Tzaareth
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Verrill Lebastion,
House Elder of House Bastion
Xeno-theologist
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OOG: -Ben .H
Monster Marshal
Replied by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Glad to hear you are in good health Orophin. I admit worry.
My various Lords, Ladies, Knights and Dames,
I will be present at this meeting.
Men of Our Word,
My various Lords, Ladies, Knights and Dames,
I will be present at this meeting.
Men of Our Word,
Magistrate of Travance
R. Tzaareth
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Verrill Lebastion,
House Elder of House Bastion
Xeno-theologist
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OOG: -Ben .H
Monster Marshal
06 Sep 2015 08:11 #16
by Aria (Aria)
Dame Tari ZhafirahStonebar Deldragon of the Order of the Sagewardens
Dean of Arcane Studies of the Darkwood Acadamy of the Metaphysical Arts
Playing with fire is bad for those who burn themselves. For the rest of us, it is a very great pleasure....
Replied by Aria (Aria) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Sir Cypher and Orophin,
Not only would I like to be present at this meeting but if all possible I would like the chance to speak with Orophin. I have questions that I believe must be answered, if for no other reason then the friendship I once held so dear.
Not only would I like to be present at this meeting but if all possible I would like the chance to speak with Orophin. I have questions that I believe must be answered, if for no other reason then the friendship I once held so dear.
Dame Tari Zhafirah
Dean of Arcane Studies of the Darkwood Acadamy of the Metaphysical Arts
Playing with fire is bad for those who burn themselves. For the rest of us, it is a very great pleasure....
06 Sep 2015 09:02 #17
by GJSchaller (GJSchaller)
Replied by GJSchaller (GJSchaller) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Sir Cypher, my apologies, I hadn't realized he had vassaled to Ostcliff - I had still thought he was with Drega'Mire. No slight to anyone was intended.
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Lord Gideon Weaveforger of Kaladonia Steward of Elvalion OOG: Geoffrey Schaller |
06 Sep 2015 13:22 #18
by Keavy (Dani)
In Loyalty to Arawyn,
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Svedlana "Svedka" Zarkovya
More vodka, less complaining.
OOG:
Danielle Sanfilippo
Replied by Keavy (Dani) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
(OOG: The note is written plainly and in very straight lines.)
Let us not disregard Ava's statement.
She has a valid point. There is a clear imbalance in the way the laws are carried out among Travancians.
There have been those who flout the laws without punishment. Ketryn has killed many innocent people who cannot come back through the Phokus like we can. She committed treason against the town.
Her punishment is a slap on the wrist.
I apologize to speak against you Lord Gideon, but while there are those who truly show remorse for their actions, there are an equal amount of those who are also skilled in deceit.
I have privately expressed my discontent for the ruling of her punishment, but now I am compelled to express this openly. Corrupted or not, those who tip the scale in one direction need to rectify the balance. Her execution does not make up for the loss and suffering she caused.
Let us not disregard Ava's statement.
She has a valid point. There is a clear imbalance in the way the laws are carried out among Travancians.
There have been those who flout the laws without punishment. Ketryn has killed many innocent people who cannot come back through the Phokus like we can. She committed treason against the town.
Her punishment is a slap on the wrist.
I apologize to speak against you Lord Gideon, but while there are those who truly show remorse for their actions, there are an equal amount of those who are also skilled in deceit.
I have privately expressed my discontent for the ruling of her punishment, but now I am compelled to express this openly. Corrupted or not, those who tip the scale in one direction need to rectify the balance. Her execution does not make up for the loss and suffering she caused.
In Loyalty to Arawyn,
| Keavy Lylas Kennyr'renaith Servant and Protector of Arawyn Druid | Totem Diviner | Herald of Nature |
Svedlana "Svedka" Zarkovya
More vodka, less complaining.
OOG:
Danielle Sanfilippo
06 Sep 2015 13:40 - 06 Sep 2015 13:45 #19
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Templar Aldric
Champion Fisherman of Amanthyre
Prophet of the Holy Light
Templar of Valos
"The sacred writings are quite specific on the subject of killing, but are a bit fuzzier on the topic of kneecaps."
OOG - David McCormick.
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
There are many deeply felt opinions expressed here, regarding Ketryn. There are also separate issues brought to the fore, regarding Orophin. It is wise not to confuse each issue with the particulars of the other, for each case is distinctly different.
Ketryn was executed for Treason and the multiple counts of Murder she confessed to. The pertinent facts from my perspective are: She confessed. Her mental state, though not absolving her of a crime, was altered and what altered it has now been fixed. I am interested to know how much further we must go to exact what some seem to call Justice, but in reality, in my opinion is merely Revenge?
Orophin's case had not mental state alteration, nor had he confessed, being guilty by witness of the crime he is accused of. He has since fled Justice and allowed time to pass, which some consider a means to lighten the sentence of a crime. Being a Fugitive from Justice is a crime in itself, is it not? Sir Jack has sought to mediate, by bringing Orophin to the Count. That is his right by virute of being a Noble,Lord Tartaros, however, is Orophin's Leige and I wonder at his view of this situation.
In any event, the Nobles are charged with the responsibility to adjudicate this matter. Sir Jack has staked his reputation and prestige on Orophin's conduct, and barring any other ruling by a Noble higher in station, there are no challenges to that. Likewise the Count himself adjudicated the case regarding Ketryn, in a manner that he found fitting and within his purview as ruling Noble. It is unseemly to challenge that, and I urge others to stay their tongue publicly. If your concerns must be heard, seek your Lord, to petition for you, privately.
Ketryn was executed for Treason and the multiple counts of Murder she confessed to. The pertinent facts from my perspective are: She confessed. Her mental state, though not absolving her of a crime, was altered and what altered it has now been fixed. I am interested to know how much further we must go to exact what some seem to call Justice, but in reality, in my opinion is merely Revenge?
Orophin's case had not mental state alteration, nor had he confessed, being guilty by witness of the crime he is accused of. He has since fled Justice and allowed time to pass, which some consider a means to lighten the sentence of a crime. Being a Fugitive from Justice is a crime in itself, is it not? Sir Jack has sought to mediate, by bringing Orophin to the Count. That is his right by virute of being a Noble,
In any event, the Nobles are charged with the responsibility to adjudicate this matter. Sir Jack has staked his reputation and prestige on Orophin's conduct, and barring any other ruling by a Noble higher in station, there are no challenges to that. Likewise the Count himself adjudicated the case regarding Ketryn, in a manner that he found fitting and within his purview as ruling Noble. It is unseemly to challenge that, and I urge others to stay their tongue publicly. If your concerns must be heard, seek your Lord, to petition for you, privately.
Templar Aldric
Champion Fisherman of Amanthyre
Prophet of the Holy Light
Templar of Valos
"The sacred writings are quite specific on the subject of killing, but are a bit fuzzier on the topic of kneecaps."
OOG - David McCormick.
06 Sep 2015 14:17 #20
by Jack (Keeperofdice)
Ser Jack Siefer
Knight Of Drega'Mire
Head of Research & Development of Kormyre
Sky Marshal
Captain of the K.A.S. Tarrasque
OOG: Gus M.
“Men learn from their failures. I prefer to learn from the failures of others..”
"Sometimes what the world doesn't need is a hero. Sometimes what it needs is a monster."
Replied by Jack (Keeperofdice) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
I will state this very clearly and publicly. Orophin did not flee from Justice. From the moment these allegations were brought against him, I sought him out and he immediately confessed and was more than willing to come forward and fall to the sword should that be the case. The only reason this has taken so long was that we were waiting for the Count to afford us proper arrangements to have this situation dealt it. To my knowledge Orophin was in a severely altered mental state and was currently being treated by a physician. I have consulted with the physician in question and am awaiting their most recent assessment of his mental condition.
Ser Jack Siefer
Knight Of Drega'Mire
Head of Research & Development of Kormyre
Sky Marshal
Captain of the K.A.S. Tarrasque
OOG: Gus M.
“Men learn from their failures. I prefer to learn from the failures of others..”
"Sometimes what the world doesn't need is a hero. Sometimes what it needs is a monster."
06 Sep 2015 14:26 #21
by Keavy (Dani)
In Loyalty to Arawyn,
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Svedlana "Svedka" Zarkovya
More vodka, less complaining.
OOG:
Danielle Sanfilippo
Replied by Keavy (Dani) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
(Written plainly and in straight lines)
Do not misunderstand my view, Brother Aldric.
I do not wish for revenge.
I wish for balance to be reinstated.
Ketryn owns an orchard. To further repay what she owes, she should send food and money to those she caused harm.
I am simply saying that an execution is not enough for those who can go through the Phokus multiple times, especially when the crime was killing those who can not return.
I will reiterate: Those she killed can not return. She, however, can.
Do you see the imbalance?
Do not misunderstand my view, Brother Aldric.
I do not wish for revenge.
I wish for balance to be reinstated.
Ketryn owns an orchard. To further repay what she owes, she should send food and money to those she caused harm.
I am simply saying that an execution is not enough for those who can go through the Phokus multiple times, especially when the crime was killing those who can not return.
I will reiterate: Those she killed can not return. She, however, can.
Do you see the imbalance?
In Loyalty to Arawyn,
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| Keavy Lylas Kennyr'renaith Servant and Protector of Arawyn Druid | Totem Diviner | Herald of Nature |
Svedlana "Svedka" Zarkovya
More vodka, less complaining.
OOG:
Danielle Sanfilippo
06 Sep 2015 14:34 - 06 Sep 2015 14:35 #22
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
I do Squire, do not misunderstand me, either. There are two things at play, Justice and Law. Its the hardest thing to reconcile both. Nobles, to which one day you will ascend, have to make decisions based on their areas of responsibility. Those decisions are hard to make. It is not for us to second guess them. Perhaps, this will be something you confront when you are Knighted.
Justice in this instance could be served with reparations. I even urge Ketryn to consider doing so. The Count however decreed an Execution was warranted, I know of no other penalty. So without a further decree, that stands. That is Law.
Sir Jack, your statement stands on its own. Your noble title requires that of me. The Count will be judge of Orophin's deeds, not I.
Templar Aldric
Champion Fisherman of Amanthyre
Prophet of the Holy Light
Templar of Valos
"The sacred writings are quite specific on the subject of killing, but are a bit fuzzier on the topic of kneecaps."
OOG - David McCormick.
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
I will reiterate: Those she killed can not return. She, however, can.
Do you see the imbalance?
I do Squire, do not misunderstand me, either. There are two things at play, Justice and Law. Its the hardest thing to reconcile both. Nobles, to which one day you will ascend, have to make decisions based on their areas of responsibility. Those decisions are hard to make. It is not for us to second guess them. Perhaps, this will be something you confront when you are Knighted.
Justice in this instance could be served with reparations. I even urge Ketryn to consider doing so. The Count however decreed an Execution was warranted, I know of no other penalty. So without a further decree, that stands. That is Law.
Sir Jack, your statement stands on its own. Your noble title requires that of me. The Count will be judge of Orophin's deeds, not I.
Templar Aldric
Champion Fisherman of Amanthyre
Prophet of the Holy Light
Templar of Valos
"The sacred writings are quite specific on the subject of killing, but are a bit fuzzier on the topic of kneecaps."
OOG - David McCormick.
06 Sep 2015 19:25 #27
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Templar Aldric
Champion Fisherman of Amanthyre
Prophet of the Holy Light
Templar of Valos
"The sacred writings are quite specific on the subject of killing, but are a bit fuzzier on the topic of kneecaps."
OOG - David McCormick.
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
I would be more than happy to discuss how my God works. However until that conversation, Justice and Law, are both important. Without Law, Justice quickly gets lost. Without Justice, Law becomes oppressive. One without the other cannot stand. That is a balance on its own.
I would caution on ever being able to balance suffering. Even seeking that is to invite darkness. Justice is not punishment. To think that inflicting suffering can bring about Justice is wrong. It may be a necessary requirement but it is not the end itself. The reparations you suggested may work far better, both to allow Ketryn to prove her remorse, and a way to help reverse, if only slightly, the damage she caused. If she finds joy in doing it, so much the better. That it come voluntarily, may be her road to redemption.
I would caution on ever being able to balance suffering. Even seeking that is to invite darkness. Justice is not punishment. To think that inflicting suffering can bring about Justice is wrong. It may be a necessary requirement but it is not the end itself. The reparations you suggested may work far better, both to allow Ketryn to prove her remorse, and a way to help reverse, if only slightly, the damage she caused. If she finds joy in doing it, so much the better. That it come voluntarily, may be her road to redemption.
Templar Aldric
Champion Fisherman of Amanthyre
Prophet of the Holy Light
Templar of Valos
"The sacred writings are quite specific on the subject of killing, but are a bit fuzzier on the topic of kneecaps."
OOG - David McCormick.
06 Sep 2015 19:31 - 06 Sep 2015 19:32 #28
by SlightlySaneBillliamm (SlightlySaneBillliamm)
"Slightly Sane Billliamm"
ooc: gene stern
Replied by SlightlySaneBillliamm (SlightlySaneBillliamm) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Ava you are a fool ye ken. We do nae wield Abyssal energy it is demons who also tap into chaos plane, like witch hunters who tap into the positive energy plane. Ye ken nothing Ava. We are not anything like demons if anyt'ing they are like us. When ye aren't bein' corrupted by Oriphin's or Malyc's lies ye will see sense and how the world and planes actually work.
chaos and abyss not synonymous. Ye are a fool
William McKraegar
chaos and abyss not synonymous. Ye are a fool
William McKraegar
"Slightly Sane Billliamm"
ooc: gene stern
06 Sep 2015 19:40 #30
by SlightlySaneBillliamm (SlightlySaneBillliamm)
"Slightly Sane Billliamm"
ooc: gene stern
Replied by SlightlySaneBillliamm (SlightlySaneBillliamm) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
I dinnae agree but I take your word for now. I am gonna go find out at the creation of it I t'ink. bye...
Slightly Sane Billliamm
Slightly Sane Billliamm
"Slightly Sane Billliamm"
ooc: gene stern
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