Regarding My Recent Execution
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10 years 5 months ago - 10 years 5 months ago #124850
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
There are many deeply felt opinions expressed here, regarding Ketryn. There are also separate issues brought to the fore, regarding Orophin. It is wise not to confuse each issue with the particulars of the other, for each case is distinctly different.
Ketryn was executed for Treason and the multiple counts of Murder she confessed to. The pertinent facts from my perspective are: She confessed. Her mental state, though not absolving her of a crime, was altered and what altered it has now been fixed. I am interested to know how much further we must go to exact what some seem to call Justice, but in reality, in my opinion is merely Revenge?
Orophin's case had not mental state alteration, nor had he confessed, being guilty by witness of the crime he is accused of. He has since fled Justice and allowed time to pass, which some consider a means to lighten the sentence of a crime. Being a Fugitive from Justice is a crime in itself, is it not? Sir Jack has sought to mediate, by bringing Orophin to the Count. That is his right by virute of being a Noble, [strike]Lord Tartaros, however, is Orophin's Leige and I wonder at his view of this situation. [/strike]
In any event, the Nobles are charged with the responsibility to adjudicate this matter. Sir Jack has staked his reputation and prestige on Orophin's conduct, and barring any other ruling by a Noble higher in station, there are no challenges to that. Likewise the Count himself adjudicated the case regarding Ketryn, in a manner that he found fitting and within his purview as ruling Noble. It is unseemly to challenge that, and I urge others to stay their tongue publicly. If your concerns must be heard, seek your Lord, to petition for you, privately.
Ketryn was executed for Treason and the multiple counts of Murder she confessed to. The pertinent facts from my perspective are: She confessed. Her mental state, though not absolving her of a crime, was altered and what altered it has now been fixed. I am interested to know how much further we must go to exact what some seem to call Justice, but in reality, in my opinion is merely Revenge?
Orophin's case had not mental state alteration, nor had he confessed, being guilty by witness of the crime he is accused of. He has since fled Justice and allowed time to pass, which some consider a means to lighten the sentence of a crime. Being a Fugitive from Justice is a crime in itself, is it not? Sir Jack has sought to mediate, by bringing Orophin to the Count. That is his right by virute of being a Noble, [strike]Lord Tartaros, however, is Orophin's Leige and I wonder at his view of this situation. [/strike]
In any event, the Nobles are charged with the responsibility to adjudicate this matter. Sir Jack has staked his reputation and prestige on Orophin's conduct, and barring any other ruling by a Noble higher in station, there are no challenges to that. Likewise the Count himself adjudicated the case regarding Ketryn, in a manner that he found fitting and within his purview as ruling Noble. It is unseemly to challenge that, and I urge others to stay their tongue publicly. If your concerns must be heard, seek your Lord, to petition for you, privately.
Last edit: 10 years 5 months ago by Templar Aldric (Selrik). Reason: Correction
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10 years 5 months ago #124852
by Jack (Keeperofdice)
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Replied by Jack (Keeperofdice) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
I will state this very clearly and publicly. Orophin did not flee from Justice. From the moment these allegations were brought against him, I sought him out and he immediately confessed and was more than willing to come forward and fall to the sword should that be the case. The only reason this has taken so long was that we were waiting for the Count to afford us proper arrangements to have this situation dealt it. To my knowledge Orophin was in a severely altered mental state and was currently being treated by a physician. I have consulted with the physician in question and am awaiting their most recent assessment of his mental condition.
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10 years 5 months ago #124854
by Keavy (Dani)
Replied by Keavy (Dani) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
(Written plainly and in straight lines)
Do not misunderstand my view, Brother Aldric.
I do not wish for revenge.
I wish for balance to be reinstated.
Ketryn owns an orchard. To further repay what she owes, she should send food and money to those she caused harm.
I am simply saying that an execution is not enough for those who can go through the Phokus multiple times, especially when the crime was killing those who can not return.
I will reiterate: Those she killed can not return. She, however, can.
Do you see the imbalance?
Do not misunderstand my view, Brother Aldric.
I do not wish for revenge.
I wish for balance to be reinstated.
Ketryn owns an orchard. To further repay what she owes, she should send food and money to those she caused harm.
I am simply saying that an execution is not enough for those who can go through the Phokus multiple times, especially when the crime was killing those who can not return.
I will reiterate: Those she killed can not return. She, however, can.
Do you see the imbalance?
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10 years 5 months ago - 10 years 5 months ago #124855
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
I do Squire, do not misunderstand me, either. There are two things at play, Justice and Law. Its the hardest thing to reconcile both. Nobles, to which one day you will ascend, have to make decisions based on their areas of responsibility. Those decisions are hard to make. It is not for us to second guess them. Perhaps, this will be something you confront when you are Knighted.
Justice in this instance could be served with reparations. I even urge Ketryn to consider doing so. The Count however decreed an Execution was warranted, I know of no other penalty. So without a further decree, that stands. That is Law.
Sir Jack, your statement stands on its own. Your noble title requires that of me. The Count will be judge of Orophin's deeds, not I.
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
I will reiterate: Those she killed can not return. She, however, can.
Do you see the imbalance?
I do Squire, do not misunderstand me, either. There are two things at play, Justice and Law. Its the hardest thing to reconcile both. Nobles, to which one day you will ascend, have to make decisions based on their areas of responsibility. Those decisions are hard to make. It is not for us to second guess them. Perhaps, this will be something you confront when you are Knighted.
Justice in this instance could be served with reparations. I even urge Ketryn to consider doing so. The Count however decreed an Execution was warranted, I know of no other penalty. So without a further decree, that stands. That is Law.
Sir Jack, your statement stands on its own. Your noble title requires that of me. The Count will be judge of Orophin's deeds, not I.
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10 years 5 months ago #124859
by Narcis (ChrisR)
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Replied by Narcis (ChrisR) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Keavy,
All this talk of balance. Yet you apologize when you go to upset it. Your foray into nobility has obviously affected your brain more than the insanities your chaos grants you.
People and their leadership are unable to maintain balance. You can sit here and try and reinstate it, you can write novels on restoring this balance but your very act of speaking out breaks it. It breaks the order you have now sworn to enforce. I applaud you for it. Now if only you could let that side show more often.
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All this talk of balance. Yet you apologize when you go to upset it. Your foray into nobility has obviously affected your brain more than the insanities your chaos grants you.
People and their leadership are unable to maintain balance. You can sit here and try and reinstate it, you can write novels on restoring this balance but your very act of speaking out breaks it. It breaks the order you have now sworn to enforce. I applaud you for it. Now if only you could let that side show more often.
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10 years 5 months ago #124867
by Sergei Petsho (Bran MacInnes)
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Replied by Sergei Petsho (Bran MacInnes) on topic Regarding My Recent Execution
Might be you lot should settle this in person like adults. Might be this is a waste of paper. You lot will do what you'll do, but arguing on here is a waste of time.
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