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7 years 3 months ago - 7 years 3 months ago #162967
by Nalick (NalickDeMarche)
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Replied by Nalick (NalickDeMarche) on topic On The Declaration of Rule
Dennis and Cara,
Imperial's plain meaning has clear implications. As we all know, literal Ages ago Kormyre was an empire and by their choice of word, they would return to such. There is nothing "new" about an imperial Kormyre and I would not for the world my homeland be so afflicted.
If we do not agree, if we do not send a clear signal, they will march against us. The threat may not be direct, but it is threatening and more than solely the royal throne.
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Imperial's plain meaning has clear implications. As we all know, literal Ages ago Kormyre was an empire and by their choice of word, they would return to such. There is nothing "new" about an imperial Kormyre and I would not for the world my homeland be so afflicted.
If we do not agree, if we do not send a clear signal, they will march against us. The threat may not be direct, but it is threatening and more than solely the royal throne.
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7 years 3 months ago #162969
by Dennis Brand (Devin)
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Replied by Dennis Brand (Devin) on topic On The Declaration of Rule
Not a squire.
Empires and Kingdoms only differ in political hierarchy, all other differences aren't based in fact. You cannot judge what will happen now with what happened "literal Ages ago." Much has changed in thousands of years. The only other Empire regularly dealt with is Gaaldron, which begs the question: is the subjection throughout in their lands because of their form of government or because they are devout worshipers of Enax?
There is no threat of Travance being marched on by Kormyre. The Declaration clearly states force will be used to take Loez, which is the seat of Kormyrian power, and far from Travance. Why would they waste soldiers and gold on what they see as irrelevant to life in the Kingdom? It makes no strategic sense. Travance can easily take control of the Rift crossing and with the best of the Royal Navy docked in Drega'mire and loyal to Admiral Tartaros, they could not safely land soldiers on our shore.
Travance sent a clear signal first! It was something along the Count's paraphrased lines of "Whoever so dares to bring down the Kingdom of Kormyre, come to Travance and face me. For in this time of an empty throne, I am ruler." They are responding to Travance's own declaration. Clearly because they feel the Count will bring down the Kingdom of Kormyre. You cannot ignore the fact that this Imperial Kormyre will only be formed should the Count not relinquish control of Kormyre to the Duke and his allied nobles.
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Empires and Kingdoms only differ in political hierarchy, all other differences aren't based in fact. You cannot judge what will happen now with what happened "literal Ages ago." Much has changed in thousands of years. The only other Empire regularly dealt with is Gaaldron, which begs the question: is the subjection throughout in their lands because of their form of government or because they are devout worshipers of Enax?
There is no threat of Travance being marched on by Kormyre. The Declaration clearly states force will be used to take Loez, which is the seat of Kormyrian power, and far from Travance. Why would they waste soldiers and gold on what they see as irrelevant to life in the Kingdom? It makes no strategic sense. Travance can easily take control of the Rift crossing and with the best of the Royal Navy docked in Drega'mire and loyal to Admiral Tartaros, they could not safely land soldiers on our shore.
Travance sent a clear signal first! It was something along the Count's paraphrased lines of "Whoever so dares to bring down the Kingdom of Kormyre, come to Travance and face me. For in this time of an empty throne, I am ruler." They are responding to Travance's own declaration. Clearly because they feel the Count will bring down the Kingdom of Kormyre. You cannot ignore the fact that this Imperial Kormyre will only be formed should the Count not relinquish control of Kormyre to the Duke and his allied nobles.
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7 years 3 months ago #162970
by Donald MacFhionnlaigh (raidr0933)
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Replied by Donald MacFhionnlaigh (raidr0933) on topic On The Declaration of Rule
Who is subjugated or oppressed in that Empire? is it the slaves? is it the goblins and orcs, who exist to serve the whims of the hobgoblins? Furthermore, expanding by force of arms- how many times in the past ten years has the Hobgoblin Empire attempted some scheme or used their army- yes, New Gaaldron counts- to attempt to conquer Travance or the kingdom as a whole?
His Grace never indicated that he was taking the throne for himself- merely verifying the claims. if his claim is legitimate, and his claim verifiable, why not go to Loez with paperwork backing his claim to be verified? As it is, his wording makes it sound like he wants to rule in a less than benevolent manner.
-Father Donald MacFhionnlaigh
His Grace never indicated that he was taking the throne for himself- merely verifying the claims. if his claim is legitimate, and his claim verifiable, why not go to Loez with paperwork backing his claim to be verified? As it is, his wording makes it sound like he wants to rule in a less than benevolent manner.
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7 years 3 months ago #162973
by Django (Topgunwov)
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Replied by Django (Topgunwov) on topic On The Declaration of Rule
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I applaud the intelligent discourse I see being discussed on our stance on the subject of the Declaration, and I further applaud the willingness of so many fine Travancians to make a move to quell an uprising, whether it be through political contacts or simply offering their sword arm to the cause. However, I would remind all of us present here that these Nobles, particularly the Duke, did send a regiment of armed goblinoids and a spy posing as a goblinoid commander to attack the proper Saturday evening of feast last, therefore I would say that, barring any new proclamation on their part, they most likely do not like us, and furthermore took hostile action against us. Indeed it is beneficial for us to speak of the moral and political implications of our involvement, however let us not forget that action must be taken in retaliation to their offense.
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I applaud the intelligent discourse I see being discussed on our stance on the subject of the Declaration, and I further applaud the willingness of so many fine Travancians to make a move to quell an uprising, whether it be through political contacts or simply offering their sword arm to the cause. However, I would remind all of us present here that these Nobles, particularly the Duke, did send a regiment of armed goblinoids and a spy posing as a goblinoid commander to attack the proper Saturday evening of feast last, therefore I would say that, barring any new proclamation on their part, they most likely do not like us, and furthermore took hostile action against us. Indeed it is beneficial for us to speak of the moral and political implications of our involvement, however let us not forget that action must be taken in retaliation to their offense.
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7 years 3 months ago #162974
by Nalick (NalickDeMarche)
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Distance does not void Travance's status as a Barony of the Kingdom; we are as much part of Kormyre as all of the baronies within Loez.
You are correct that I cannot judge the Duke by the actions of his ancestors; however, I will judge him by his written word and lack of respect toward the principles upon which Kormyre was founded. Do what we say lest we breach the walls of your capital, are not the words of those who favor the words of any of the Light.
~Nalick
You are correct that I cannot judge the Duke by the actions of his ancestors; however, I will judge him by his written word and lack of respect toward the principles upon which Kormyre was founded. Do what we say lest we breach the walls of your capital, are not the words of those who favor the words of any of the Light.
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7 years 3 months ago #162981
by Liz (Liz)
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With all due respect to everyone who has spoken and who have not,
I agree with Cara and Dennis. They have stated they have a grievance which they are more than allowed to have. The Count is not King, for all that we owe him our personal allegiance. Is the Duke of a higher standing than the Count? The Count did make the declaration. He did lie to them for 3 years- why should they trust him? We have, even though we have saved the world, gotten a reputation in the world. Why should they trust us? And my last question:
Why are you trying to take action without the word of the Count? It has been said that it is possible he is already dealing with this- we have no standing orders to make decisions of how to formally respond to this. Research must be done and orders then given before we alert other world leaders.
Patience is what I would counsel now- this is not something that can be dealt with swiftly. Not only for our sake but the world is also watching.
-Mae Fang Zhang
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I agree with Cara and Dennis. They have stated they have a grievance which they are more than allowed to have. The Count is not King, for all that we owe him our personal allegiance. Is the Duke of a higher standing than the Count? The Count did make the declaration. He did lie to them for 3 years- why should they trust him? We have, even though we have saved the world, gotten a reputation in the world. Why should they trust us? And my last question:
Why are you trying to take action without the word of the Count? It has been said that it is possible he is already dealing with this- we have no standing orders to make decisions of how to formally respond to this. Research must be done and orders then given before we alert other world leaders.
Patience is what I would counsel now- this is not something that can be dealt with swiftly. Not only for our sake but the world is also watching.
-Mae Fang Zhang
Ambassador to Khitan
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