Zombies are coming!!!!
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17 years 2 days ago #20242
by Cpt. Blackthorn (Cpt. Blackthorn)
If my words offend you or annoy you as they seem to be, might I suggest not reading them. Otherwise, do some research before you attempt to debate with the likes of me... the concept/ term of zomies being Undead who have risen from the grave to feast on the living wasn't concieved and popularized as we are refering to it until George A Romero's 1968 Masterpiece "Night of the living Dead". Which was inpired by many legends and folklore, for instance I reference " The Epic of Gilgamesh" (ca. 2000bc) "an Akkadian epic compiled out of several Sumerian myths depicting the adventures of the semi-fictional King Gilgmesh, illustrates an early form of zombie concept in one of the passages of the sixth tablet, in which the goddess Ishtar issues a threat against Gilgamesh:
"I will knock down the Gates of the Netherworld, I will smash the door posts, and leave the doors flat down, and will let the dead go up to eat the living! And the dead will outnumber the living!" (Wikipedia) how ever in this story the Dead are not mindless, lumbering creatures but merly the dead risen so not truly Zombies as we have come to recognize them.
The Stories of Zombies originated in the carribean as part of the belief and practice of Vodoo as I have mentioned before In which a person is brought under control and rendered a mindless servant by a Houngan/ or Bokor ( priest), or Mambo (priestess) and Science has expolered and documented this practice.
The word Zombie was entered into the english dictionary circa 1871: it is derived from Creole zonbi, which in turn is of Bantu origin, Bantu coming from Africa, A zonbi is a person who is believed to have died and been brought back to life without speech or free will. and are in the service of their master. which could lend claim to them being Undead, However it is the introductions of certain chemicals into the body that induce the "death like State" so that the person appears to have risen from the dead.
I could go on all day... I have done extensive reading an research into Zombie Lore as it is the Premise of a Comic I am co-creating, but do us both a favor and do some research yourself. Otherwise let everyone enjoy this all beit ridiculous however fun debate/ disscussion.
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Not an official member yet but I am planning to be attending my first event in April. and am looking forward to it.... Michael S.
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If I may chime in here for a moment, first off to whomever it was who stated that Zombies aren’t real well I have to tell you you’re wrong on that count it has been scientifically documented that zombies are real. That is in the case those created by the practices of Voodoo and Hoodoo the Zombie state is caused by introducing 2 specially prepared Powders into the blood stream.
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For the love of god, Zombies are not real. What your talking are not zombies. Zombies are undead. Undead are not real. Undead are make believe like KR and this Thread.
If my words offend you or annoy you as they seem to be, might I suggest not reading them. Otherwise, do some research before you attempt to debate with the likes of me... the concept/ term of zomies being Undead who have risen from the grave to feast on the living wasn't concieved and popularized as we are refering to it until George A Romero's 1968 Masterpiece "Night of the living Dead". Which was inpired by many legends and folklore, for instance I reference " The Epic of Gilgamesh" (ca. 2000bc) "an Akkadian epic compiled out of several Sumerian myths depicting the adventures of the semi-fictional King Gilgmesh, illustrates an early form of zombie concept in one of the passages of the sixth tablet, in which the goddess Ishtar issues a threat against Gilgamesh:
"I will knock down the Gates of the Netherworld, I will smash the door posts, and leave the doors flat down, and will let the dead go up to eat the living! And the dead will outnumber the living!" (Wikipedia) how ever in this story the Dead are not mindless, lumbering creatures but merly the dead risen so not truly Zombies as we have come to recognize them.
The Stories of Zombies originated in the carribean as part of the belief and practice of Vodoo as I have mentioned before In which a person is brought under control and rendered a mindless servant by a Houngan/ or Bokor ( priest), or Mambo (priestess) and Science has expolered and documented this practice.
The word Zombie was entered into the english dictionary circa 1871: it is derived from Creole zonbi, which in turn is of Bantu origin, Bantu coming from Africa, A zonbi is a person who is believed to have died and been brought back to life without speech or free will. and are in the service of their master. which could lend claim to them being Undead, However it is the introductions of certain chemicals into the body that induce the "death like State" so that the person appears to have risen from the dead.
I could go on all day... I have done extensive reading an research into Zombie Lore as it is the Premise of a Comic I am co-creating, but do us both a favor and do some research yourself. Otherwise let everyone enjoy this all beit ridiculous however fun debate/ disscussion.
Thank you
Not an official member yet but I am planning to be attending my first event in April. and am looking forward to it.... Michael S.
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17 years 2 days ago #20249
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17 years 2 days ago #20253
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Bokor aren't priests in Voodoo, they are considered to be black magicians. Don't confuse priests/priestesses and general practitioners of Voodoo with Bokor, they are world's apart. It is true however that in Haiti people were punished for various crimes involving Voodoo mispractice, (ie casting harmful spells on neighbors and what have you), well into the 1900's. I believe they did away with the legal punishments and charges somewhere in the 1940's but it's been awhile since I read up on the subject.
Their are however some more widely accepted theories, ( and most logical in my opinion), involving Voodoo and zombies. One being a combination of grave robbers and traditional island folklore. Another thought is that some type of drug was made which induced a coma-like state in which life signs were nigh undetectable. When the person awakes in a grave buried sometimes very shallowly- you can imagine the trauma induced by that. So now believing they are spirit-less because some jerk Bokor now "controls" them and their spirit, they have thus become a "zombie". Add up the folklore/religious lore involving a Bokor's powers, the extremely prevalent practice of Voodoo, and some traumatized victims who aren't heard from for sometimes years at a time, and voila- Voodoo zombies! Good for movies, not so much for making zombies. On a side note, Haiti is a third world country and isn't exactly well known for its advanced medical facilities or proper documentation.
Their are however some more widely accepted theories, ( and most logical in my opinion), involving Voodoo and zombies. One being a combination of grave robbers and traditional island folklore. Another thought is that some type of drug was made which induced a coma-like state in which life signs were nigh undetectable. When the person awakes in a grave buried sometimes very shallowly- you can imagine the trauma induced by that. So now believing they are spirit-less because some jerk Bokor now "controls" them and their spirit, they have thus become a "zombie". Add up the folklore/religious lore involving a Bokor's powers, the extremely prevalent practice of Voodoo, and some traumatized victims who aren't heard from for sometimes years at a time, and voila- Voodoo zombies! Good for movies, not so much for making zombies. On a side note, Haiti is a third world country and isn't exactly well known for its advanced medical facilities or proper documentation.
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Quagz, dude, just dye your hair black and you'll be good to go.
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