Economy Discussion
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8 years 2 months ago #152124
by Mantel (sigma-j)
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Replied by Mantel (sigma-j) on topic Economy Discussion
That has been immensely helpful and demonstrably effective, Cassie, thank you for trying that policy out. Purely anecdotal, but it seems people have been really benefiting from that on Sundays, and at least in my groups' case, has allowed us a little more time for RP and cleanup.
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Warden of the Keep, Allied Territory of Corvancia
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(OOG Jean M, they/them)
"How can I be substantial if I do not cast a shadow? I must have a dark side also if I am to be whole." - C.G. Jung
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8 years 2 months ago #152131
by Donald MacFhionnlaigh (raidr0933)
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Replied by Donald MacFhionnlaigh (raidr0933) on topic Economy Discussion
Would it help to put item cards for bags of gold in the New Player packets, and keep hold of coin for mods/random encounters?
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8 years 2 months ago #152135
by Bladesworn (Bladesworn)
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Replied by Bladesworn (Bladesworn) on topic Economy Discussion
There are really 2 issues here.
1. The lack of actual, physical coins.
2. The economy/inflation of treasure.
The first 1 is easy. At the beginning of each event, the Logistics person should count how many physical coins there are. Then the game goes on, treasure gets doled out, etc. On Sunday, at the end of the event, the same number of physical coins should come back to Logistics. All players should be automatically banking their coin into the character's account and no one should be taking any physical coins home. If the amount of coins that came back is less than what started, some kind of action needs to happen. It's everyone's responsibility to make sure things that belong to Logistics get returned. Weapons. Armor. Makeup, Costumes. Coins and Treasure should be no different. This should stop the lack of actual treasure that can be handed out per event and save Staff and James from ordering coins every few months.
As for the economy... that's been a long standing issue at the game. If you wish to get the economy back to normal, you need to make the super-rich find stuff to spend their money on. Not just gear or other stuff... you need to make those characters who have a lot of coin need something that is valuable to them and have them perform a bank transaction that makes them spend that money.
Operational Costs: When Travance is at War (or some big game event occurs), any businesses a player owns is now Under Attack. During their Land Action or something... the Business loses money. A wagon train is hit. Bandits. Merchant strikes. Now instead of getting a bunch of coin, the player lost coin. A lot of coin. The amount automatically comes out of their account. That should definitely drive some of the players to take a vested interest in ending the war or seeking some sort of resolution.
Commodities and Futures: Commodity Cards were a great way to get coin for some and try to balance out, but they have started to slide. Commodity Cards either gave you coin or helped you get build. Both have become limited. Either you can increase the amount of commodities a High Lvl player needs to get build (ergo forcing them to spend more money to get more commodities.. making commodities more valuable) or add expiration dates to commodities. The commodities a player can get is limited and only good for a very short amount of time. No more hoarding them. If they don't use them, they lose them.
Black Market & the KR Silk Road: Rogue Plot and the Fence have their own Black Market last I recalled. Let non-rogue characters buy stuff. They have to pay a crap ton more than those who have Fence skill.
These are just a few half-formed ideas in my head. These are also based on old game experiences that may no longer be viable in today's KR. IT's been a while for me and I'm sure many things have changed.
1. The lack of actual, physical coins.
2. The economy/inflation of treasure.
The first 1 is easy. At the beginning of each event, the Logistics person should count how many physical coins there are. Then the game goes on, treasure gets doled out, etc. On Sunday, at the end of the event, the same number of physical coins should come back to Logistics. All players should be automatically banking their coin into the character's account and no one should be taking any physical coins home. If the amount of coins that came back is less than what started, some kind of action needs to happen. It's everyone's responsibility to make sure things that belong to Logistics get returned. Weapons. Armor. Makeup, Costumes. Coins and Treasure should be no different. This should stop the lack of actual treasure that can be handed out per event and save Staff and James from ordering coins every few months.
As for the economy... that's been a long standing issue at the game. If you wish to get the economy back to normal, you need to make the super-rich find stuff to spend their money on. Not just gear or other stuff... you need to make those characters who have a lot of coin need something that is valuable to them and have them perform a bank transaction that makes them spend that money.
Operational Costs: When Travance is at War (or some big game event occurs), any businesses a player owns is now Under Attack. During their Land Action or something... the Business loses money. A wagon train is hit. Bandits. Merchant strikes. Now instead of getting a bunch of coin, the player lost coin. A lot of coin. The amount automatically comes out of their account. That should definitely drive some of the players to take a vested interest in ending the war or seeking some sort of resolution.
Commodities and Futures: Commodity Cards were a great way to get coin for some and try to balance out, but they have started to slide. Commodity Cards either gave you coin or helped you get build. Both have become limited. Either you can increase the amount of commodities a High Lvl player needs to get build (ergo forcing them to spend more money to get more commodities.. making commodities more valuable) or add expiration dates to commodities. The commodities a player can get is limited and only good for a very short amount of time. No more hoarding them. If they don't use them, they lose them.
Black Market & the KR Silk Road: Rogue Plot and the Fence have their own Black Market last I recalled. Let non-rogue characters buy stuff. They have to pay a crap ton more than those who have Fence skill.
These are just a few half-formed ideas in my head. These are also based on old game experiences that may no longer be viable in today's KR. IT's been a while for me and I'm sure many things have changed.
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8 years 2 months ago #152139
by Cara Easton (Raeelle)
Replied by Cara Easton (Raeelle) on topic Economy Discussion
Unfortunately the fence skill does not exist anymore, so that's hard to enforce.
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8 years 2 months ago #152140
by Tim P (OrganicGolem)
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Replied by Tim P (OrganicGolem) on topic Economy Discussion
I'm going to weigh in on the whole gem hording argument, because I know people think it's a dragoon thing. When higher lists came out I turned in my whole horde of gems, and then promptly had to start hording them again for the skills on smith. Unfortunately now saying that people are hording gems is like saying people are hording mithril. Wether or not its true, you can't blame them.
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8 years 2 months ago #152145
by geezer (geezer)
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Replied by geezer (geezer) on topic Economy Discussion
Every Event I deposit the money from two breakfasts and the lunch I prepare, around 300+ in coin & gems. I know not what happens to it, nor do I care. I will accept nothing besides coin, unless it is something I can readily get rid of IG.
Due to the shortage of specie, I introduced trade bars. They vary in denomination from 20 Gold (200 silver) to 500 gold, denominated in 50, 100, 200, and 500 gold. They too, are being hoarded - over 5,000 gold worth as of today. i have no doubt that people are hoarding the trade bars for whatever foolish reason. I plan on depositing more of them, to try to put an end to such foolishness, but no one ever lost money underestimating the wisdom of certain actions.
I keep 500 gold on hand, in drawing accounts which have been given to me by people who want easy access to coin.
I also keep around 200 gold in gems, as there are many who need such for sockets.
I keep a hundred gold for personal use and some gold bars for IG reasons, but they are not hoarded.
I only accept specie for payment, in order to be able to recirculate such.
Due to the shortage of specie, I introduced trade bars. They vary in denomination from 20 Gold (200 silver) to 500 gold, denominated in 50, 100, 200, and 500 gold. They too, are being hoarded - over 5,000 gold worth as of today. i have no doubt that people are hoarding the trade bars for whatever foolish reason. I plan on depositing more of them, to try to put an end to such foolishness, but no one ever lost money underestimating the wisdom of certain actions.
I keep 500 gold on hand, in drawing accounts which have been given to me by people who want easy access to coin.
I also keep around 200 gold in gems, as there are many who need such for sockets.
I keep a hundred gold for personal use and some gold bars for IG reasons, but they are not hoarded.
I only accept specie for payment, in order to be able to recirculate such.
Edwin Haroldson
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An ethical person does the right thing when no one is watching.
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"War is a matter of vital importance to the State..."
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