Being "Common"

Dominic,

The butcher and baker are extremely important, you're right. I'm not talking about killing people when I speak of progress. You are focusing on that topic of your own volition.

Yes, people get hurt and die when a civilization progresses. But, if that civilization did not progress, a lot more people would be dead.

How do you think the first of the Physicians started? It wasn't among a populace of healthy and well living folks, that's for sure. Try and imagine a world without physicians for a moment. I know there's healers and I can't do everything they can but they cannot do everything I can either. Imagine your own position if I was not capable of what I can do.

My profession required illness and death to progress, but I am not a murderer as a result. I keep people alive and generally healthy with my knowledge.

Now, if you can get off the topic of death and understand that is not what we're talking about, I think this conversation can be a bit more productive.

-Ilana

***NOT CAELVAN***
Also the man who "is figuring out how to kill someone" could be doing so for expansion so that the area he is in is not becoming over crowded so starvation can not be all over the place. Which could in the end cause more death than his plan.

Anytime you bring up a person or profession I am warning you now it can be flipped around and used for the other side of the argument.

-Merikh

Its a matter of talents. Its a matter of skill sets. What these talents and skills are is entirely subjective. In the winter, when beasts have recoiled back to their holes and blankets of snow smother the land, the farmer with his harvest, and the carpenter with his strong walls are the "Heroes".

I have lived in poverty, I have lived in opulence, and I have been personally chosen by Arawyn to shoulder power both great and terrible. I have seen both sides of the phocus. Every time I arrive in Travance I laugh, eat, and drink less then a stones throw away from where I died. I am not the Verrill many of you first knew, I'm better then him. I'm the Verrill who you can trust when he says Don't Run. None of us exist on purpose, nobody belongs anywhere, one day everyone is going to die. Now lets stop debating meaningless social barriers that divide us, and share a drink, a story, a laugh, and live while there is still life to be had.

Ilana

If we are going to talk about progress lets talk about progress in its entirety. You prefer to look at the good sides of progress and advancements. But even though I will agree that advancements in physician abilities is actually good for everyone. I happen to know a few people who would agree that advancements in Londowyn technology is in fact causing more problems and destroying nature. To most druids and rangers I would like to think that they see the loss and death of nature just as important. Not all progress can help.

***NOT CAELVAN***

If you wish to look at progress in it's entirety then you can't look at one race of people and say that progress is bad. You are the opposite side of her argument Dominic. She speaks of the positive sides of the argument and you speak on the negative there is no entirety discussion here. If you want to look at its entirety then look at my statement again. I'm sure that a druid or ranger will disagree but the harming of nature needs to occur for the balance of nature to happen. Nature needs to be harmed before it can be cured. Otherwise what will the druids and rangers cure if the world you want exists?

Everything needs balance, including the impact progress has on this world.

-Merikh

I was merely mentioning the Londowyns as an example. Progress takes sacrifice, sacrifices that I don't neccessarily agree with. But without the tailor and the barmaid we wouldn't have the chance to even dream about progress because there would be nothing to progress.

The common folk are more important than most people give them credit. A captain without his soldiers is nothing more than a man with a the word "captain" in his name.