On the topic of Good versus Evil
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9 years 9 months ago #134335
by Birgitta Drexel (Birgitta)
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Replied by Birgitta Drexel (Birgitta) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
Thats the result in some ways. Free will. That which is truly not understood by the Anastazi.
Its not good and evil that made the big changes happen. They were the catalyst and the two sisters embodied that good and evil in there free will.
As I understand it.
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Its not good and evil that made the big changes happen. They were the catalyst and the two sisters embodied that good and evil in there free will.
As I understand it.
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9 years 9 months ago - 9 years 9 months ago #134336
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
The only issue I have is characterizing Good and Evil as less than what they are. These are the great dilemma of the Anastazi. Good and Evil will be the downfall of the Anastazi, for this is why they want them erased.
The polar moral opposites are a source of power beyond the reach of the Anastazi, springing from the hearts and minds of all sentient beings. The quality of the Opposed Ethics, is such that they are powerless against it, and we can exist, through expression of Opposition, independent of the Astral Powers. This is an important concept.
The polar moral opposites are a source of power beyond the reach of the Anastazi, springing from the hearts and minds of all sentient beings. The quality of the Opposed Ethics, is such that they are powerless against it, and we can exist, through expression of Opposition, independent of the Astral Powers. This is an important concept.
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9 years 9 months ago - 9 years 9 months ago #134349
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
No. Free will is the result of thought, you can have free will and intelligence without moral values. The issue has been the opposition of Good and Evil. The Ascension Wars raged for millenia based on this ancient clash of forces. Fiona and Miranda are not expressions of Free Will, they are expressions of a primal force that went far past what the Anastazi wished. Opposition will continue to be the point of contention with them until they are defeated.
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
Its not good and evil that made the big changes happen. They were the catalyst and the two sisters embodied that good and evil in there free will.
No. Free will is the result of thought, you can have free will and intelligence without moral values. The issue has been the opposition of Good and Evil. The Ascension Wars raged for millenia based on this ancient clash of forces. Fiona and Miranda are not expressions of Free Will, they are expressions of a primal force that went far past what the Anastazi wished. Opposition will continue to be the point of contention with them until they are defeated.
Last edit: 9 years 9 months ago by Templar Aldric (Selrik).
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9 years 9 months ago #134350
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Replied by Nicoletta (fyperia) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
Good (capital G) and Evil (capital E) are not moral concepts. Good, or Light, or "Mægen" as he calls it, is a power that flows from Fiona. Evil, or Darkness, or "Hearm" is a power that flows from Miranda.
Because of the nature of Good (Light), it is easy to do morally good (lowercase g) deeds using its power. Because of the nature of Evil (Darkness), it is easy to do morally evil (lowercase e) or "bad" deeds using its power.
But just as it is easy to kill with Fire, it is also in Fire's nature to cook, to provide heat, to provide a source of light.
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Because of the nature of Good (Light), it is easy to do morally good (lowercase g) deeds using its power. Because of the nature of Evil (Darkness), it is easy to do morally evil (lowercase e) or "bad" deeds using its power.
But just as it is easy to kill with Fire, it is also in Fire's nature to cook, to provide heat, to provide a source of light.
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9 years 9 months ago #134352
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
Good is good. Evil is evil. Capitalizing them doesnt change the meaning any. The Light and the Dark flow from Fiona and Miranda. Good and Evil are moral values, ethics that derive from our understandings of Light and Dark. Powers of the Light are Good, whatever their application and intent. Powers of the Dark are Evil, whatever their application and intent.
However to say Good and Evil are not moral concepts or seek to derive some classification setting morality apart from the powers flowing from the two Opposed Sisters, is missing the point really. We already have Positive energy and Negative energy, to explain the powers flowing from them. When Good and Evil are discussed we now are in Divine concepts, and as such are inherently moral concepts. Yes, some powers of the Divine are considered Good, and Evil. Their quality is due to their Morality, not some specific trait of the weave. All powers Good, Evil, Neutral flow from the one Divine strand of the weave.
However to say Good and Evil are not moral concepts or seek to derive some classification setting morality apart from the powers flowing from the two Opposed Sisters, is missing the point really. We already have Positive energy and Negative energy, to explain the powers flowing from them. When Good and Evil are discussed we now are in Divine concepts, and as such are inherently moral concepts. Yes, some powers of the Divine are considered Good, and Evil. Their quality is due to their Morality, not some specific trait of the weave. All powers Good, Evil, Neutral flow from the one Divine strand of the weave.
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9 years 9 months ago - 9 years 9 months ago #134353
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Replied by Nicoletta (fyperia) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
Shall I keep that in mind next time innocents are bleeding to death in front of me, then, instead of showing our enemy my back as I try to save them?
Divinity does not come from the Weave. The powers of the Divine come from that which is powered by Miranda and Fiona.
Don't equate Order and Chaos to Good and Evil, either. Order is Positive Energy. It comes from Arawyn, from the Material. Chaos is Negative Energy. It is what Demons feed from, the destruction of Arawyn, brewed in the Abyss. Fiona and Miranda have nothing to do with these forces, do not confuse them. As Templar, you and I both know they are separate.
The slaves that don't get their powers from Fiona and Miranda get them from this world's essence, not the Fey's creation. Power does not equal morality. Power is twisted to the morality of its user. Do not tell me that this world has never seen a Gaian use her power to kill, or a Valosian his for tyranny. Do not tell me this world has never seen a Malycite uphold laws or a Galmachian save a life. All these things are moral constructs not tied to an Alignment.
Wizardry is not morality. Druidry is not morality. Good is not morality. Evil is not morality. Isn't arguing just for the sake of it something Mayhem does?
Cyfihi
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Divinity does not come from the Weave. The powers of the Divine come from that which is powered by Miranda and Fiona.
Don't equate Order and Chaos to Good and Evil, either. Order is Positive Energy. It comes from Arawyn, from the Material. Chaos is Negative Energy. It is what Demons feed from, the destruction of Arawyn, brewed in the Abyss. Fiona and Miranda have nothing to do with these forces, do not confuse them. As Templar, you and I both know they are separate.
The slaves that don't get their powers from Fiona and Miranda get them from this world's essence, not the Fey's creation. Power does not equal morality. Power is twisted to the morality of its user. Do not tell me that this world has never seen a Gaian use her power to kill, or a Valosian his for tyranny. Do not tell me this world has never seen a Malycite uphold laws or a Galmachian save a life. All these things are moral constructs not tied to an Alignment.
Wizardry is not morality. Druidry is not morality. Good is not morality. Evil is not morality. Isn't arguing just for the sake of it something Mayhem does?
Cyfihi
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