On the topic of Good versus Evil
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9 years 9 months ago #134366
by Gunnar Gunnarson (jhines0042)
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Replied by Gunnar Gunnarson (jhines0042) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
Aldric,
You said that the "Powers of the Light are Good, whatever their application and intent. Powers of the Dark are Evil, whatever their application and intent."
Does this mean that you will automatically be judged upon meeting Galladel as having been Good? That being one who uses the Power of Good automatically makes you Morally Good regardless of your actions or inactions? Are you incapable of hatred or sloth, incapable of greed or lust? Or are these things that you need to work to avoid?
Do you have free will or are you merely a puppet controlled by your Mægen power?
You said that the "Powers of the Light are Good, whatever their application and intent. Powers of the Dark are Evil, whatever their application and intent."
Does this mean that you will automatically be judged upon meeting Galladel as having been Good? That being one who uses the Power of Good automatically makes you Morally Good regardless of your actions or inactions? Are you incapable of hatred or sloth, incapable of greed or lust? Or are these things that you need to work to avoid?
Do you have free will or are you merely a puppet controlled by your Mægen power?
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9 years 9 months ago #134389
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
To both,
My position is that while we as individuals have free will on how to use the gifts, and indeed can sometimes use them in ways counter to their nature, their nature is based on an ethical framework that remains constant. You both take my statements and draw incorrect conclusions.
A Dark Clergy may use the miracles of their faith to save lives, seflessly, but the power would still be Dark. A Light Clergy may use their miracles to harm an innocent, but the power remains Light. In both cases, their diety may later take exception to this missue of their granted gifts, but they still are it's source. However, acting counter to the tenets of your God is and should be an exception rather than an open possibility.
A Dark Clergy makes the concious choice to draw from Darkness, and as a result the norm will be they will use that gift in a fashion consistent with Evil. That is the nature of the power they weild, their day to day choices can differ, but not without consequences and certainly not the vast majority of the time. Likewise, the Clergy of Light are bound to act with Goodness, lest their God take exception and act against them. Neither of the Opposed powers of Good and Evil can tolerate clergy that misuses their power for long.
Morality guides us all, for good or ill. Galladel's Judgement remains constant, and is based on one's actions in life. Regardless of the power we may weild, it's is our behavior and the impact on others that is taken into account.
My position is that while we as individuals have free will on how to use the gifts, and indeed can sometimes use them in ways counter to their nature, their nature is based on an ethical framework that remains constant. You both take my statements and draw incorrect conclusions.
A Dark Clergy may use the miracles of their faith to save lives, seflessly, but the power would still be Dark. A Light Clergy may use their miracles to harm an innocent, but the power remains Light. In both cases, their diety may later take exception to this missue of their granted gifts, but they still are it's source. However, acting counter to the tenets of your God is and should be an exception rather than an open possibility.
A Dark Clergy makes the concious choice to draw from Darkness, and as a result the norm will be they will use that gift in a fashion consistent with Evil. That is the nature of the power they weild, their day to day choices can differ, but not without consequences and certainly not the vast majority of the time. Likewise, the Clergy of Light are bound to act with Goodness, lest their God take exception and act against them. Neither of the Opposed powers of Good and Evil can tolerate clergy that misuses their power for long.
Morality guides us all, for good or ill. Galladel's Judgement remains constant, and is based on one's actions in life. Regardless of the power we may weild, it's is our behavior and the impact on others that is taken into account.
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9 years 9 months ago #134393
by Nicoletta (fyperia)
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Replied by Nicoletta (fyperia) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
While typically, morally bad acts go against the nature and established tenets of the Light, the opposite is not necessarily true for the Darkness.
The Light has rules you must follow as its practitioner; the Darkness has an agenda, but generally cares not how it is completed.
Cyfihi
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The Light has rules you must follow as its practitioner; the Darkness has an agenda, but generally cares not how it is completed.
Cyfihi
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9 years 9 months ago #134401
by Ergos (arieslink)
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Replied by Ergos (arieslink) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
While I myself am not highly educated on the topics of Good and Evil, nor Light and Darkness, I can certainly attest to things being Right and things being Wrong. In my travels, I have seen a great deal of wrongdoings, moreso than people doing Right, by both rulers and by subjects (mainly petty thieves), and these wrongdoers had no alignment with a higher power; it does not take a mystical power to perform Wrong nor Right actions. However, I must also add that a great deal of the acts that were Right were committed by those with this Good power, and I personally haven't seen the use of Evil power used for an act that is Right, although I am sure that they happen. Whenever I see Evil power being used to help others (generally in the form of protecting others from a living threat), it is either for personal gain by the user, or to protect their own hide.
That said, although Miranda may be the embodiment of Evil, I feel as though she will use this Evil power to do the Right thing, which in this case is defeat the Nulls. She is not only the embodiment of Evil power, I believe that she is the embodiment of wrongdoing, but a Wrongdoer can commit a Right act; my feeling is that it will be fueled by her desire to save her own hide.
Regardless of the debate of whether Light and Good are Right, and whether Darkness and Evil are Wrong, I believe that everyone involved in this debate has said that exceptions to these "rules" happen, and Miranda will almost definitely follow that exception for the matter at hand. However, I digress.
I myself am not educated enough on the matters of how the power of Good and Evil work to draw a conclusion as to what each party is morally drawn to, but from what I have seen, I can assume that were I more educated, I would agree with Aldric that the powers are very closely related to how the individual acts.
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That said, although Miranda may be the embodiment of Evil, I feel as though she will use this Evil power to do the Right thing, which in this case is defeat the Nulls. She is not only the embodiment of Evil power, I believe that she is the embodiment of wrongdoing, but a Wrongdoer can commit a Right act; my feeling is that it will be fueled by her desire to save her own hide.
Regardless of the debate of whether Light and Good are Right, and whether Darkness and Evil are Wrong, I believe that everyone involved in this debate has said that exceptions to these "rules" happen, and Miranda will almost definitely follow that exception for the matter at hand. However, I digress.
I myself am not educated enough on the matters of how the power of Good and Evil work to draw a conclusion as to what each party is morally drawn to, but from what I have seen, I can assume that were I more educated, I would agree with Aldric that the powers are very closely related to how the individual acts.
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9 years 9 months ago #134402
by Nicoletta (fyperia)
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Replied by Nicoletta (fyperia) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
You shouldn't throw around accusations about people you've never met.
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9 years 9 months ago #134407
by Templar Aldric (Selrik)
Replied by Templar Aldric (Selrik) on topic On the topic of Good versus Evil
Miranda may require...persuadung...to do the right thing. It's an opportunity for her to demand concessions, she will not pass up on the chance to leverage her suddenly great importance, over those who have kept her imprisoned for thousands of years. Evil has a nature, like Good, that is hard for it to deny.
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