Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
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8 years 2 months ago #151440
by Angeliana (Angeliana)
Replied by Angeliana (Angeliana) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
Forgive but never forget. We learn from our past. We show compassion freely but some are willing to abuse it if we are not wise about how. Those willing to destroy our peace will take advantage of our kindness if we are naive. Seek to parlay doesn't mean accept terms which are detrimental to you, seek redemption doesn't mean be tricked into eventual destruction by malicious intent. It's a very fine line to thread and it is a difficult path to walk. Lead your heart with your mind.
May the light guide your paths and keep you safe.
With love and respect,
Angeliana
May the light guide your paths and keep you safe.
With love and respect,
Angeliana
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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #151443
by JTinney (Swordsaint)
Father Duncan MacKenzie
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Replied by JTinney (Swordsaint) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
Kaiva,
At some point when this is all over and a chance to do this arrives, I would like to take you on a journey.
A journey... From here in Travance to Loez and Glangsdale in Kormyre. After that, I would like to bring you to the Highlands where I am from. In all these locations, I would like to show you the "kindness" of these creatures.
I should also ask you speak with all those who dealt with "Mother" last year at this time or request Lord Aleister to speak upon his interactions with Jailor (and the very less than benign nature of actions against his personage from that one). I am certain you will get a pointed, if biased, description of how creatures such as these act.
A Devil will give you his or her word and do their best to keep it to the letter. Its a point of honor upon their black souls. A Demon, if it deems you humorous enough to parlay with or if it really wants something will cut a deal- but as others have stated, it will attempt to make said deal as one-sided as possible or find any number of means to snag an advantage over you for itself... and or its master.
I understand you are young... and I understand that Andorran wishes compassion be shown to all enemies. HOWEVER, you will never get such in return willingly form these beings. Even your own faith's High Priestess, as strong in Andorra's love and light as she is, cannot do so because she too has experienced the predation of daemonkind upon herself and those under her care.
I appreciate your thinking and feelings on this matter but I am certain you are ill-informed and those thoughts misguided where these creatures are concerned.
Respectfully,
Father Duncan MacKenzie
At some point when this is all over and a chance to do this arrives, I would like to take you on a journey.
A journey... From here in Travance to Loez and Glangsdale in Kormyre. After that, I would like to bring you to the Highlands where I am from. In all these locations, I would like to show you the "kindness" of these creatures.
I should also ask you speak with all those who dealt with "Mother" last year at this time or request Lord Aleister to speak upon his interactions with Jailor (and the very less than benign nature of actions against his personage from that one). I am certain you will get a pointed, if biased, description of how creatures such as these act.
A Devil will give you his or her word and do their best to keep it to the letter. Its a point of honor upon their black souls. A Demon, if it deems you humorous enough to parlay with or if it really wants something will cut a deal- but as others have stated, it will attempt to make said deal as one-sided as possible or find any number of means to snag an advantage over you for itself... and or its master.
I understand you are young... and I understand that Andorran wishes compassion be shown to all enemies. HOWEVER, you will never get such in return willingly form these beings. Even your own faith's High Priestess, as strong in Andorra's love and light as she is, cannot do so because she too has experienced the predation of daemonkind upon herself and those under her care.
I appreciate your thinking and feelings on this matter but I am certain you are ill-informed and those thoughts misguided where these creatures are concerned.
Respectfully,
Father Duncan MacKenzie
Father Duncan MacKenzie
Templar-High Priest of Brazen
Chaplain, Bloodspirits Mercenary Company
Janos Beecham (alt)
Dragoon of No Importance
John Tinney
Safety Marshal/ EMT
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8 years 2 months ago #151530
by geezer (geezer)
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Replied by geezer (geezer) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
Mantel - you are incorrect. Demons are, indeed, inherently evil. Please disabuse yourself of your belief they are not so.
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8 years 2 months ago #151532
by Kaiva (Kaiva Malakai)
Replied by Kaiva (Kaiva Malakai) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
Haroldson I mean this in the kindest way possible; absolutely no-one is inheritanly evil! We are breed by our society, where we live and who we come from. A baby is born and thus it is breed in ideals for it to follow. We aren't inheritanly evil and niether is beings. Just because you are born of chaos or have lived doesn't mean you should be casted away as an evil and unredeemable person.
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8 years 2 months ago #151533
by Aleister (Aleister)
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Replied by Aleister (Aleister) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
Edwin,
Mantel is actually correct. Demons are not inherently Evil. While many turn to Dark powers over those of Light, they are not inherently of those powers. Devils are inherently Evil, because of their nature. Demons are inherently destructive to the material realm, though.
But you and I can talk semantics and supernatural power another time.
Mantel is actually correct. Demons are not inherently Evil. While many turn to Dark powers over those of Light, they are not inherently of those powers. Devils are inherently Evil, because of their nature. Demons are inherently destructive to the material realm, though.
But you and I can talk semantics and supernatural power another time.
Lord Admiral Aleister Demirosz, the Phoenix
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8 years 2 months ago #151537
by Mantel (sigma-j)
Mantel Warrane (AWz., QMA; AM, WSS)
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Replied by Mantel (sigma-j) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
Master Haroldson,
I would most respectfully ask the same of you. I did, in fact, mention that it is a commonly held fallacious belief among laypeople and the educated class alike, certainly one even you have ascribed to. His Lordship is correct in his elaboration.
This is, of course, not to say that Demons are incapable of being Evil, merely that they aren't so due to their essential abyssal nature.
--Mantel Warrane
P.S. Kaiva, I must clarify that there are, in fact, beings that are metaphysically bound to the aspect of Darkness, and thereby aligned to the Evil beneath it. Devils are the most common example, but surely there are further examples out there in Bestiaries in the many libraries across Arawyn I have yet to step foot in.
I would most respectfully ask the same of you. I did, in fact, mention that it is a commonly held fallacious belief among laypeople and the educated class alike, certainly one even you have ascribed to. His Lordship is correct in his elaboration.
This is, of course, not to say that Demons are incapable of being Evil, merely that they aren't so due to their essential abyssal nature.
--Mantel Warrane
P.S. Kaiva, I must clarify that there are, in fact, beings that are metaphysically bound to the aspect of Darkness, and thereby aligned to the Evil beneath it. Devils are the most common example, but surely there are further examples out there in Bestiaries in the many libraries across Arawyn I have yet to step foot in.
Mantel Warrane (AWz., QMA; AM, WSS)
Grand Librarian Emeritus, Darkwood Academy of the Metaphysical Arts
Professor Emeritus of Weave Studies, Darkwood Academy
Warden of the Keep, Allied Territory of Corvancia
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"How can I be substantial if I do not cast a shadow? I must have a dark side also if I am to be whole." - C.G. Jung
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