Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #151311
by Berek Orino (Andrew609)
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Replied by Berek Orino (Andrew609) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
I am relatively new to town so I don't know all the history yet but I would not make a blind deal with a merchant who I worked with all the time. An extra-planar being we are already calling a demon would get the consideration I would give rotten fruit. Are there other allies that we can ask for aid? Maybe beings that we are calling angels?
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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #151312
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Replied by Mantel (sigma-j) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
Some clarifications on extra-planar beings for the layfolk:
What we are "dealing" with--and I lament the pun--are DEMONS.
Demons are creatures that inhabit and manifest within the Abyss, a collection of planes closely related to the force of Chaos. Demons are inherently Chaotic, and born of negative energy, our direct antithesis. They typically have a close relation of one element, depending on which Plane of the Abyss they hail from. Our opponent here is Kalen Maitel, current reigning Abyssal Lord of Earth. His minions were born in the Abyssal Plane of Earth, as was his predecessor Erkod the Jagged King. The forces claiming to be our allies were born in the Abyssal Planes of Ice (of which The Jailor reigns Lord) and Fire (of which Mother reigns Lord, with Q'aare'zl as one of her Legionnaires.)
The stability of the Abyssal Realms hinges on the presence of an Abyssal Lord, incredibly powerful elemental demons, sitting upon the Abyssal Thrones in each elemental abyss. Kalen Maitel has abandoned the Abyssal Throne of Earth, which has wreaked instability that will see the Abyss pouring into our Prime Material plane until there is nothing left of what we once knew and loved about Arawyn.
Demons are distinct from other extra-planar creatures, which include (but are hardly not limited to):
ASTRAL CREATURES - All manner of extra-planar beings belonging to the Astral plane. This includes dragons, fey, anastazi, gods, celestials... many things.
CELESTIALS - A larger class, consisting of all manner of Ascended mortal. They are inherently aligned with Order, directly antithetical to Demonic existence. These include:
ANGELS - Ascended mortals inhabiting the planes, and bound in service of the Light Gods. They are inherent aligned with Order and Good.
GARGOYLES - Ascended mortals inhabiting the planes, and bound in service of the Neutral Gods. They are inherently aligned with Order.
DEVILS - Ascended mortals inhabiting the planes, and bound in service of the Dark Gods. Theyare inherently aligned with Order and Evil.
ELEMENTALS - Extra-planar beings inhabiting the elemental planes, they are not corrupted by chaos, unlike Demons.
Also of interest:
FAERIES - Once thought to be of extra-planar origin by Kormyrian scholars, we now know my people the Faeries inhabit secret realms hidden throughout the plane of Arawyn, the Prime Material Plane, himself. Kalen Maitel, the current Abyssal Lord of Earth, was born the son of His Majesty Avalon Maitel the Stone King, Sovereign of the Earth Court of Faeries. According to Q'aare'zl's account (which we should not heed closely) Kalen became corrupted after slaying Erkod the Jagged King, at Avalon's order. Avalon corroborates this story, but does not know whether this being claiming to be Kalen is truly his son.
AVALON'S WISHES - If this truly is Kalen Maitel, Prince of the Stone Court of Faeries, then it is his Majesty's wish that his son is to be purified. If it is a Demon masquerading as his son, then it is to be outright destroyed.
People are working.
I hope this clarifies things. If you have any questions, please post further missives.
--Mantel Warrane
Professor of Weave Studies at the Darkwood Academy for the Metaphysical Arts
What we are "dealing" with--and I lament the pun--are DEMONS.
Demons are creatures that inhabit and manifest within the Abyss, a collection of planes closely related to the force of Chaos. Demons are inherently Chaotic, and born of negative energy, our direct antithesis. They typically have a close relation of one element, depending on which Plane of the Abyss they hail from. Our opponent here is Kalen Maitel, current reigning Abyssal Lord of Earth. His minions were born in the Abyssal Plane of Earth, as was his predecessor Erkod the Jagged King. The forces claiming to be our allies were born in the Abyssal Planes of Ice (of which The Jailor reigns Lord) and Fire (of which Mother reigns Lord, with Q'aare'zl as one of her Legionnaires.)
The stability of the Abyssal Realms hinges on the presence of an Abyssal Lord, incredibly powerful elemental demons, sitting upon the Abyssal Thrones in each elemental abyss. Kalen Maitel has abandoned the Abyssal Throne of Earth, which has wreaked instability that will see the Abyss pouring into our Prime Material plane until there is nothing left of what we once knew and loved about Arawyn.
Demons are distinct from other extra-planar creatures, which include (but are hardly not limited to):
ASTRAL CREATURES - All manner of extra-planar beings belonging to the Astral plane. This includes dragons, fey, anastazi, gods, celestials... many things.
CELESTIALS - A larger class, consisting of all manner of Ascended mortal. They are inherently aligned with Order, directly antithetical to Demonic existence. These include:
Also of interest:
FAERIES - Once thought to be of extra-planar origin by Kormyrian scholars, we now know my people the Faeries inhabit secret realms hidden throughout the plane of Arawyn, the Prime Material Plane, himself. Kalen Maitel, the current Abyssal Lord of Earth, was born the son of His Majesty Avalon Maitel the Stone King, Sovereign of the Earth Court of Faeries. According to Q'aare'zl's account (which we should not heed closely) Kalen became corrupted after slaying Erkod the Jagged King, at Avalon's order. Avalon corroborates this story, but does not know whether this being claiming to be Kalen is truly his son.
AVALON'S WISHES - If this truly is Kalen Maitel, Prince of the Stone Court of Faeries, then it is his Majesty's wish that his son is to be purified. If it is a Demon masquerading as his son, then it is to be outright destroyed.
People are working.
I hope this clarifies things. If you have any questions, please post further missives.
--Mantel Warrane
Professor of Weave Studies at the Darkwood Academy for the Metaphysical Arts
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8 years 2 months ago #151314
by Mantel (sigma-j)
Mantel Warrane (AWz., QMA; AM, WSS)
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"How can I be substantial if I do not cast a shadow? I must have a dark side also if I am to be whole." - C.G. Jung
Replied by Mantel (sigma-j) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
An Addendum:
It is a common misconception among layfolk and scholars alike to make the assumption that Demons are inherently Evil.
This is not necessarily the case.
This also does not mean that one should dispense of care when interacting with Demons. They are our existential antithesis. We are born of positive energy, and they of negative. We must treat them always with an abundance of caution and skepticism.
--Mantel Warrane
It is a common misconception among layfolk and scholars alike to make the assumption that Demons are inherently Evil.
This is not necessarily the case.
This also does not mean that one should dispense of care when interacting with Demons. They are our existential antithesis. We are born of positive energy, and they of negative. We must treat them always with an abundance of caution and skepticism.
--Mantel Warrane
Mantel Warrane (AWz., QMA; AM, WSS)
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Warden of the Keep, Allied Territory of Corvancia
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(OOG Jean M, they/them)
"How can I be substantial if I do not cast a shadow? I must have a dark side also if I am to be whole." - C.G. Jung
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No demon will have my allegiance, whether Travance agrees upon it or otherwise. Too much blood was spilled in the Demon Wars to accept a proposal with fiends who have already turned the trust of the citizenry here to their advantage at least once.
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Replied by Khala Stormbringer (Jymme) on topic Concerning the Proposed Deal with the Abyssal Lords of Fire & Ice
I WILL NOT deal with demons. The only good demon is a dead one at the end of my blade. I will not work with them. We can find another way to deal with the threat than by making deals with creatures like that.
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