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6 years 5 months ago #167358
by Tyros (Tyros)
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Seth, that is some dangerous thinking you have there. While I don't care for or worship any being, I understand that they have a purpose in this world and that none of them are infallible. Some of the Gods ascended from Mortals, so to wish to strip every being you don't understand of it's power is a line that no one should cross. At the end of the day, where does that leave us? If you were the strongest being that ever existed would you recognize that and end your own life? Where would you even go? There is no afterlife anymore, you killed the beings that watch over that and give it form.
Every single creature in existence is fallible and susceptible to something. We see that every time we as a town interfere with their plans. Constantly trying to control these things without the knowledge of their purpose is incredibly prideful, who are you to place judgement on the Sun because you were stuck in the shade?
Should insects judge you if you stepped on them? You are stronger, you should know better. Doesn't matter if you were distracted, what about their interests?
George
Every single creature in existence is fallible and susceptible to something. We see that every time we as a town interfere with their plans. Constantly trying to control these things without the knowledge of their purpose is incredibly prideful, who are you to place judgement on the Sun because you were stuck in the shade?
Should insects judge you if you stepped on them? You are stronger, you should know better. Doesn't matter if you were distracted, what about their interests?
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6 years 5 months ago #167359
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Replied by Caelvan (Caelvan) on topic Trickster Seems Evil
I still have the question:
How do you know the Trickster knew how the ritual would end?
Or are you just assuming based on a phrase they say every time they observe something?
There is a lesson in all things we do, in that statement, the Trickster was right.
If you have proof of Trickster knowing exactly how it ended before it did, share this.
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How do you know the Trickster knew how the ritual would end?
Or are you just assuming based on a phrase they say every time they observe something?
There is a lesson in all things we do, in that statement, the Trickster was right.
If you have proof of Trickster knowing exactly how it ended before it did, share this.
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6 years 5 months ago #167360
by Tim P (OrganicGolem)
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Replied by Tim P (OrganicGolem) on topic Trickster Seems Evil
I want to weigh in on the concept of sitting by or watching from the sidelines. When you make a change in your own body towards one of inner planes or that of Arawyn, you make yourself an anathema to it's opposite. The same, I think obviously, holds true for beings who solely embody such planes such as Primal Spirits. Now I don't mean simply practicing the craft, as is evidenced by the fact that one can even be both a Hexer or Shaman and a Druid or Healer, but when your actual physiology changes as the result of an advanced link to those power sources.
For instance (from my own accounts): At one time VERY early into my practicing into of black sorcery I subtly was involved in a ritual that a white sorcerer was casting, and found myself negatively influencing it by my very presence. This was my first, but only account noticing this from a ritualistic standpoint. That being said, I have learned since then how to shield my nature from negatively impacting order-based rituals since then... to a point. If I think the benefit I can influence on a order based ritual outweighs any harm that may come of it, I usually still involve myself. However if I was close enough to watch a ritual in person, I would be impacting that ritual even if I was not directly involved. It is usually for that reason I either help directly, or stay far away from order and light based ritual.
Implying that a being like the Trickster, or even George can simply watch a ritual involving order and not be involved is not (in my opinion) not entirely correct. I have to imagine, based on my own experiences, that both probably at least had some wards or shields in place to protect themselves from the ritual or the ritual from themselves, but at the end of the day you can never be sure the impact you will have when it comes to this level of pioneering magic.
Anyone who thinks they understand what effect mixing chaos with any other source after its integration into the weave will have is deluding themselves. Nobody actually understands this, yet. Particularly since we're all operating on knowledge that (for all we know) is a lie from the False Prophet. If however you believe in your convictions that the Trickster or anyone involved knew what was going to happen as a result of this ritual, then by the convictions of my own faith I will absolutely not stand in your way.
On the other hand, think of it this way: Icarus and Eden both knew what they were doing. Either in the case of Icarus not being able to control herself, and Eden being unwilling to back down they continued to bring harm to others. The choice made for Eden is less black and white, but I think you can agree that Icarus did not actually want to harm anyone. Maybe think about judging people based on intent, rather than action. Gods, Anastazi, or Primal Beings have some motivation for their actions. Even still, not everything always goes the way its intended.
For instance (from my own accounts): At one time VERY early into my practicing into of black sorcery I subtly was involved in a ritual that a white sorcerer was casting, and found myself negatively influencing it by my very presence. This was my first, but only account noticing this from a ritualistic standpoint. That being said, I have learned since then how to shield my nature from negatively impacting order-based rituals since then... to a point. If I think the benefit I can influence on a order based ritual outweighs any harm that may come of it, I usually still involve myself. However if I was close enough to watch a ritual in person, I would be impacting that ritual even if I was not directly involved. It is usually for that reason I either help directly, or stay far away from order and light based ritual.
Implying that a being like the Trickster, or even George can simply watch a ritual involving order and not be involved is not (in my opinion) not entirely correct. I have to imagine, based on my own experiences, that both probably at least had some wards or shields in place to protect themselves from the ritual or the ritual from themselves, but at the end of the day you can never be sure the impact you will have when it comes to this level of pioneering magic.
Anyone who thinks they understand what effect mixing chaos with any other source after its integration into the weave will have is deluding themselves. Nobody actually understands this, yet. Particularly since we're all operating on knowledge that (for all we know) is a lie from the False Prophet. If however you believe in your convictions that the Trickster or anyone involved knew what was going to happen as a result of this ritual, then by the convictions of my own faith I will absolutely not stand in your way.
On the other hand, think of it this way: Icarus and Eden both knew what they were doing. Either in the case of Icarus not being able to control herself, and Eden being unwilling to back down they continued to bring harm to others. The choice made for Eden is less black and white, but I think you can agree that Icarus did not actually want to harm anyone. Maybe think about judging people based on intent, rather than action. Gods, Anastazi, or Primal Beings have some motivation for their actions. Even still, not everything always goes the way its intended.
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6 years 5 months ago #167361
by Ninnyhammer (Anna Collins)
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Keavy, Harassment intended as a joke is still harassment. Mr Bell and Mr KcKraeger were terrorized and endangered. And it would have taken no great amount of wisdom for the Trickster to realize what he was doing.
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6 years 5 months ago #167362
by Verrill Lebastion (Wellby)
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Man There's Alot To Go Over Here (imma need to pay this friar who's transcribin' extra),
In Regards to Valos,
I feel The Father already said it better then I, but feel I'd add there's Gods in this world that work "in opposition" (that means against) Valos. We met that guy once- heard he shoots lightning and growls alot. That lightning fella' and "Necrofetus" (Transcribers Note: I cannot tell if Mr. Bell is intentionally mispronouncing this) have been workin to undercut the Lord of Lights work since the beginning. Enax has done far worse far as I can measure it, waging war on Valos' people in the name of tyranny (meanin bad authority) an' wanton cruelty. Far as I see it the three are a spectrum of how people with power choose to treat others- and each soul put on this earth is given the choice of which Lord their actions will help. We gotta do better for our neighbors and for those who look up to us for Valos to win that fight and that aint a war to be won with swords an' grit alone. It's gonna take patience, kindness, and mercy. Way I see it if we all do that we can make a world where justice is real, where every soul born on Arawyn get a fair shake, and those on top look out for those on bottom. Ok whats the next point here.
Lady Darkwood,
I am humbled yall came here to share your thoughts and appreciate yer insights. I admit I don't ken greater entities the way you do or dabble in their works. I admit I find Godbotherin' detrimental to long term solutions and the Trickster gave me an answer on "what creates blight" that didn't fit what others said. I guess that's a lesson on me for askin a fella called the trickster for a straight answer. That all aside I pray I've caused y'all no undue stress while this matter gets sorted. Also Im happy to give yall a discounted quote and this Deceiver critter.
Donny,
Yeah I'm sure it was him as the ritual had not happened yet. Just to be clear he didn't blow our skin off or anythin', feel as though he was just tryna spook us.
Lady Kennyr'renaith,
Your apology means a great deal to me and your continued patience explainin' such things goes a long way. Only bit that strikes me strange is this Trickster seemed capable of speakin' the common tongue so I'm not sure what's got him needin' you to do his apologizin' for him-- tho again, I appreciate y'all are tryna help and smooth this over. That bein said, Miss Hammer (Transcriber's note: I don't know how to correct him on this) summarizes my thoughts on it pretty well.
Thanks Y'all for takin' this seriously and comin' to the board for a discussion.
Your Neighbor,
Transcribed and not Read,
Tom Bell,
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In Regards to Valos,
I feel The Father already said it better then I, but feel I'd add there's Gods in this world that work "in opposition" (that means against) Valos. We met that guy once- heard he shoots lightning and growls alot. That lightning fella' and "Necrofetus" (Transcribers Note: I cannot tell if Mr. Bell is intentionally mispronouncing this) have been workin to undercut the Lord of Lights work since the beginning. Enax has done far worse far as I can measure it, waging war on Valos' people in the name of tyranny (meanin bad authority) an' wanton cruelty. Far as I see it the three are a spectrum of how people with power choose to treat others- and each soul put on this earth is given the choice of which Lord their actions will help. We gotta do better for our neighbors and for those who look up to us for Valos to win that fight and that aint a war to be won with swords an' grit alone. It's gonna take patience, kindness, and mercy. Way I see it if we all do that we can make a world where justice is real, where every soul born on Arawyn get a fair shake, and those on top look out for those on bottom. Ok whats the next point here.
Lady Darkwood,
I am humbled yall came here to share your thoughts and appreciate yer insights. I admit I don't ken greater entities the way you do or dabble in their works. I admit I find Godbotherin' detrimental to long term solutions and the Trickster gave me an answer on "what creates blight" that didn't fit what others said. I guess that's a lesson on me for askin a fella called the trickster for a straight answer. That all aside I pray I've caused y'all no undue stress while this matter gets sorted. Also Im happy to give yall a discounted quote and this Deceiver critter.
Donny,
Yeah I'm sure it was him as the ritual had not happened yet. Just to be clear he didn't blow our skin off or anythin', feel as though he was just tryna spook us.
Lady Kennyr'renaith,
Your apology means a great deal to me and your continued patience explainin' such things goes a long way. Only bit that strikes me strange is this Trickster seemed capable of speakin' the common tongue so I'm not sure what's got him needin' you to do his apologizin' for him-- tho again, I appreciate y'all are tryna help and smooth this over. That bein said, Miss Hammer (Transcriber's note: I don't know how to correct him on this) summarizes my thoughts on it pretty well.
Thanks Y'all for takin' this seriously and comin' to the board for a discussion.
Your Neighbor,
Transcribed and not Read,
Tom Bell,
Ratcatcher
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6 years 5 months ago #167363
by Keavy (Dani)
Replied by Keavy (Dani) on topic Trickster Seems Evil
Ninnyhammer,
Did I disagree? Did I not apologize on his behalf? I said I would make sure to speak with them to ensure it doesn’t happen again. However, how many times have we thrown spells and tricks at our friends in jest? Ones that can potentially harm them? Suddenly when it’s a good natured being of different origin doing the same gestures it’s not a joke anymore? I myself have done worse to my own comrades and no one sought to arrest me or strip me of my power. You’re all beginning to take this too far.
Did I disagree? Did I not apologize on his behalf? I said I would make sure to speak with them to ensure it doesn’t happen again. However, how many times have we thrown spells and tricks at our friends in jest? Ones that can potentially harm them? Suddenly when it’s a good natured being of different origin doing the same gestures it’s not a joke anymore? I myself have done worse to my own comrades and no one sought to arrest me or strip me of my power. You’re all beginning to take this too far.
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