Reenchanting?

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12 years 4 months ago #89572 by Caelvan (Caelvan)
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To those who say magic does not exist how do you explain people like myself who can summon fire, ice, earth, etc. out of our hands? It is not "environmental" since we constantly move around and go in different places. So what can explain this "phenomenon" as you call it.


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12 years 4 months ago #89574 by Jack (Keeperofdice)
"Metaphysics."

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12 years 4 months ago - 12 years 4 months ago #89580 by Alexander Silvers (Silversupremacy)
A simple answer and that is energy: to put it in less cryptic words, when a person exerts themselves they begin to feel warmer, correct? And when one sits down due to overexertion they begin to "cool down" correct? If you apply that concept to the world the means of causing an object or space to increase in temperature is to increase, is to cause it to exert itself. Returning to my example when a person exerts themselves, they make use of what is commonly refered to as energy which is replenished after we consume food and a period of time has passed, therefore by consequence if you increase the amount of energy an object has it should start moving and in so release heat, thus what you call "magic" is simply the transfer of energy, however since "magic" is such a vague word whose meaning can be easily manipulate, then if one were to consider bread, ale, and a nap to be magic then while you are simply labeling it differently it would be magic, although I fear it would be kind of awkward saying, "I think ill go get some magic to eat." Or "Barkeep! Ill take some magic on the rocks" and such.

However, I pursue means in which objects move, thus I will once again advise visiting a scholar whom specializes in energy and have a conversation with them on the nature of your abilities.

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12 years 4 months ago #89587 by Goggs (coryan)
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Wotcher Mister Jonathan,

I can only speak for myself when I say that I don't believe I've claimed "magic" to not exist, though of course I cannot speak for any others. First and foremost, the property of existence is troublesome to prove, if indeed we even accept that things can possess the property of existing.

However, in any case, I notice a few shortcomings in your logic - most prominent among them being that the belief that such "powers" are sourced from an individual precludes the possibility of them being "environmental" as you put it (which I am taking to mean "sourced from the environment.")

To better illustrate the underlying problem with this assumption, perhaps you might like to consider the following: Where does the environment stop, and the individual begin? Or, from the other side: where does the individual stop, and the environment begin?

A simple question, but one with profound implications. If you'd like to discuss this further, please do pay me a visit in Travance Proper when you are next in the area.

Very good Mister Jonathan. If you are familiar with the spiritual practices of the region - as I suspect you may well be - then perhaps you'd like to help me with some of my research? You'd be fully compensated for your time, of course. Please let me know if this is something that you'd be interested in.

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12 years 4 months ago #89590 by Aria (Aria)
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Goggins,
I wonder how you would explain my helping you in the woods last moon against the fey as science. However try as you might I am not sure you will ever find a way to explain magic as science. Feel free to see me if you are interested I will show you some of my magical abilities, ones perhaps not so easily explained by environmental causes.

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12 years 4 months ago #89591 by Tim P (OrganicGolem)
You know what I'm sure of? Magic. It's real. It's real because I stare at it every moment of my life. Flowing around me and you and everything else, making reality possible. Everything, and anything you or anyone knows is only here because of magic.
You know what I'm NOT sure of? That Londwyns even exist. I'm not 100% sure you aren't beings of pure illusion sent here to play a big prank on everyone (includding Ogres and Barbarians) who aren't thick enough to say that magic isn't really magic, its SCEEEIEIENCE. It would explain why you're so resistant to it. That concept, a being... ANY creature being resistant to illusions? That makes no sense. That I can only explain by saying: It's magic. It's an illusion, you are all an illusion sent to torment me into stop using words like portal and start saying nonsense words like wormholes. How would I even fit in a wormhole, have you seen how big I am.
It's all just illusionary nonsense.

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