Andorran Prayers and legality

Mordra's assertion that " If these actions are taken in defense of oneself or a third party then it is perfectly legal to do" is correct only if the person so controlled is one of the ones seeking to harm the caster.

It has long been established law that one can employ any form of attack against those who knowingly seek to harm others outside the law. One is also allowed to employ any means to stop those who are forced to act against their wills, so long as one stops short of causing their death. There are nuances, yes, but all have to do with situational concerns.

The legality of this issue is fairly straight forward. Be it a "miracle" or a "spell" or a fanciful arcane song and dance, It is illegal to alter the will of another. Divinity really does not play into the matter. The law is stated as thus;

None shall torture another, nor cause the insanity of another, nor control the mind, body, or emotions of another excepting with the explicit sanction of a Lord or the Baron, or if the subject be - of free and clear spirit - willing.

Whosoever breaks with this law shall be fined between ten and twenty gold pieces, one half of which the Barony will remit to the victim, and will spend from one to three months in the dungeon. If the victim of the crime is an Officer of the Barony, then the convicted will be fined between twenty and fifty gold pieces, one half of which the Barony will remit to the victim, and will spend from three to six months in the dungeon. If the victim of the crime is of noble title, then the convicted will be publicly executed, will be stripped of all belongings, and upon the decision of the Baron may be exiled or obliterated. If the convicted has broken with this law before, then the convicted will be publicly executed, will be stripped of all belongings, and upon the decision of the Baron may be exiled or obliterated.

In Unyielding Patience and Prudence,

Verrill Lebastion,

Unless you have been empowered by the Office of the Magistrate to do so, cease your proclamations on this matter immediately.

If and when you appear before the Magistrate and the case has been decided, then, and only then, may you feel free to continue to comment on this matter.

In Service to the Barony,

Pardon my tone but, I feel as if my inquiry was misinterpreted or perhaps that my meaning was just simply ignored because I am considered to be biased.

As a citizen of Travance, who has had to use both my magicks and my fists to defend myself and others of Travance, I understand that in battle or out of self defense that one should be perfectly capable to do what is necessary to neutralize a target.

I thought it would be a simple common understanding that I was referring to the use of such things in a casual setting -- such as making someone (who while you may think is being irrational, you would know very well is not at risk of becoming a threat to the safety or well being of others) more agreeable or to quell their anger because it would make a social interaction run more smoothly.

And as I have made Travance my home, it is very much in my interest to pay attention to what actions and behaviors it's laws and rules do and do not protect me from.

Sincerely,
Cecilia Mercier
Vassal of Ostcliff

I only have just noticed now, that the Lieutenant's original posting has been removed. So allow me to ask again...

Are ALL Andorran prayers under the Compassion domain "immune" (I dislike that term, but I can think of no other that matches what I'm thinking) to the laws of Travance & Kormyre?

Squire Radley and the others who have commented upon this subject,

When the Great Council next convenes,this matter should be discussed. However, until such time, I ask for your patience. When the Great Council arrives at a decision, that decision will be announced to all and you shall have your answer.

In Service to the Barony,
Rudolf Von Kreutzdorf
Seneschal of Travance