Andorran Prayers and legality

I stand corrected about the number of Templars named Nightwing then. I have been away from Travance for a long while. This must get rectified.

As for the Andorran prayers & their standing within the laws... I will go by what your brother has decreed until otherwise told. However, I ask that all the prayers Andorrans have at their disposal be carefully scrutinized. While they are one of the most peaceful, & benign of the clergy... even they have assets that can be misused.

Why is it okay for a prayer to be used to effect someone's mind when if I - as a mage - used a spell to the same effect outside of combat, I'd more than likely be in serious trouble with the guard?

Is it because the word compassion is used to describe the domain of the spell? Does the suggestion that one is of good will make the fact that someone's mind is being meddled with against their will okay?


Cecilia Mercier
Vassal of Ostcliff

The Gods of Living are a natural part of our wyrld. We call upon them, and they use theyr power on our behalf.

Magic is not for mortal kind. That you practice it is unnatural and dangerus and selfish and reckless. Every time you incant your maleficarum, you put eech and every person in this world in danger. You risk braking the wyrld.

Let only the Wyrdkind call upon such power. It is not for you.

Cecilia Mercier,

You say that now. Perhaps I will make sure that any raging or dominated person who may be coming after you is allowed to stay that way. When you then complain that no one did anything to stop them I will quote your questioning of the legality of Andorran prayers.

Realize, I say this as someone whose mind has been infiltrated more times than someone who has been in Travance for a decade. I have been turned against my allies more times than any one person could count. I have been conscious and have been able to watch as my body attacked those I have emotions for. I have been conscious and unable to stop great pain and suffering from happening to me because of having my mind infiltrated. My mind has been invaded so many times that I currently cannot tell what part of me is me, or the remnants of demons or necromancy.

Perhaps I would take your argument more seriously if I knew you weren't questioning it because you are too biased in this ruling. Next time we fight warriors of Chaos or Demons, I urge you to let your mind be invaded. See how it feels to come to and know that you have brought harm against those you have emotions for. Or watch as you let someone who has been altered bring harm against you. They will show no mercy for you in their altered state and if you end up relying on your magic to enfeeble or dominate them, you will be in the same boat as the Andorrans.

While I generally appreciate the questioning of rules and laws, this one does not need time wasted on questioning it. Put yourself to better use Cecilia, you have much more in store for you than sitting here questioning rules that aren't worth your time.

May you follow your true path,

Dear Miss Miss Mercier, Dear Ava

It is good to question, especially when you have that feeling, like a stone resting on the top of your heart. That is a feeling of injustice. You must always be brave and speak when you feel this.

We are asking questions now about miracles of Andorra. These are not spells, but miracles, like gifts from Andorra, to a mortal, and Andorra chooses some of us, such as my sister in the light, Mother Angeliana.

Although I know in my heart and from experience that an Andorran, be it Mother Gwynedd or Angeliana would not intentionally use their access to the miraculous to be deceptive or to cause harm. Sometimes that is irrelevant, sometimes we are within our rights to feel rage and grief. I know I have felt that before and the idea of being pacified, even if by a miracle would feel insulting and invasive.

To make my point, no Andorran working with compassion in their heart will be causing you harm, it will not alter your memories or change you in any way, apart from letting you glimpse a feeling of inner peace. That said, I should remind all of my fellow Clergy, myself very much included that just because our god gives us a purpose in this world, and grants us access to their most sacred miracles, does not mean we are entitled to enjoin others to these miracles.

I will never lay my hands on an unwilling person, or cast a miracle on them, except in the case of saving their life, or preventing them from doing harm to another. I believe that should be a policy for any of us in the Church of Light and I know the vast majority of us already hold this policy.

As a study of law, and by no means a Master nor in any high legal position within Travance, I would like to move this discussion less in the direction of power origins and more to the actual question of legality.

As per the laws of Travance, none may control the mind, body, nor emotions of another except with the explicit sanction of a Lord or Baron or if the subject be willing.

Forcing someone into a friendship that is not natural to them is illegal.
Forcing someone to act as your personal protector against their will is illegal.

Those who wield the power do to so, such as Enaxian clergy like myself, must understand the consequences of their actions. If these actions are taken in defense of oneself or a third party then it is perfectly legal to do.

The question of ending a rage is an interesting one. As I was not present during the mentioned event I can only provide scenarios. Should an enemy be raging and attempting to harm another it is acceptable to force them out of their rage. If an ally is in the throes of rage and you choose to end it then you can be subject to the laws of Travance. You have prevented your ally from defending you, thus putting other subjects at risk. However, if you were under the assumption that their rage could quickly turn against your advantage and you felt that ending the rage was the best option then your defense can hold in court. The laws of the land are very clear but each situation is not.